Pro-Death:where is your support for this baby?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by TheHat, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Your posts say it is a punishment, and then you say it isn't. Which is it?
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    WOW, you apparently haven't read ANY of my posts if you truly think that. But I know you don't and you are being blatantly dishonest here.
     
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    That is one of the most ignorant things you have posted so far.

    Forcing life would be to somehow force a child to be created. This is obviously not what prohiioting abortion does. :confused:
     
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    Dependent person in this case is a foetus after 4-5th month of pregnancy, when brain cortex begins to develop. I dont care for the foetus before this limit.

    I am talking about normal pregnancy. Of course I am OK with allowing abortion when it needs to be done to protect the health of the mother.

    I am not absolute believer in bodily sovereignity. If someone needs your blood to save his life and there is no other alternative, the correct course of action (based on my utilitarian ideology) would be to take the blood by force. This also applies to all necessary medical interventions that are low-risk and with little permanent damage to donor (normal pregnancy is, organ donations not so much). Human body is no different than any other property in principle. It is very important and personal asset, but in some cases, sovereignity can be broken to save the life or health of another.

    And yes, it is a common view.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ROFL .. It is not circular to state the fact that sperm and egg exist prior to zygote.

    Examples of "circular" are your fallacious claims such as:

    or

     
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  7. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    A child is not created until it is born. Until such time as it leaves the womb, it is an incomplete creation.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Yes or no: If a woman gets pregnant, do you want her to give birth?
     
  9. Whaler17

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    Well you know that is a lie, so I will just point out that you are being dishonest AGAIN, and leave it at that.
     
  10. Whaler17

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    Yes, unless her life is placed in imminent danger by the pregnancy!

    No punisment, just natural progression of the growth of a human being.

    Prohibiting attacking and killing that human being is in no way punishment of the would be attacker and/or killer!
     
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    Circular is you stating some inane nonsense, me decimating it, then you coming back with it again after a cycle of you spewing other nonsense and having me decimate it as well. :no:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep dreaming that you actually have some material and hopefully one day that dream will come true.

    This however is not that day.
     
  13. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    There is nothing wrong with admitting that the creation of a child is incomplete until the child leaves the womb. For nine months the 'baby' is creating itself. When it is fully created, it is born.

    Even a lifer would have to admit that.
     
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    The baby exists at conception. This has been proven to you with even medical manual references. An infant is still developing, as is a toddler, an adolescent, and even a young adult.
     
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    Thankfully there are open minded people here without the inate need to justify abortion at all costs, so your denials mean very llittle here. :confused:
     
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    A zygote exists at conception and it is not even known whether it will be one or more.
    It or they will become babies when born.
     
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    :Laughing:

    Nonsense.

    :crazy:
     
  18. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    A fertilised egg is NOT fully created into a baby, is it? I have explained what I mean, I cannot work out if you generally cannot understand what I am trying to say, or if you are aware, and choose to ignore it.
    I have said it as best I can, and you can disagree but I am correct on this one.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    He is right. When sperm meets egg, how do you know you aren't going to have twins? How do you know a baby will even be born if you don't even know you are pregnant?

    If you disagree with him, you would have to view every period as a potential miscarriage as there is really no way to tell the difference.
     
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    YES it is!

    Once again you have to get past the ignorant and cildish "it don't look nothin like me" mentality.
     
  21. Whaler17

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    SO either way you know there is a human being created, the possibility that a natural cloning might take place doesn't change the fact that a human being was created.

    See what I mean, what he/she posted is nonsense.
     
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    No it is not and you have to get past the ignorant position that anything with human DNA is a human being. Attempt to learn what are the characteristics that make up a human being and how a human being functions biologically.
     
  23. Whaler17

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    :laughing:

    RRRRIIIIGht. :crazy:
     
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    Not everytime no.

    a hydatidiform mole hs human DNA and there is no way that can be considered "human"
     
  25. Makedde

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    It is NOT a fully formed baby though, is it? NO IT IS NOT.

    Its like baking a cake. You have half created the cake by mixing the batter. You put the batter in the oven and take it out and ONLY THEN do you have a COMPLETED cake.

    If a fertilised egg was a fully formed baby women would be giving birth to fertilised eggs. :rolleyes:
     

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