Pro-Death:where is your support for this baby?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by TheHat, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    aCTUALLY yes IT IS.

    Sperm and egg individually are not a baby, but a fertilized egg certainly is.

    This just exposes your ignorance of what the terms mean.
     
  2. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    No it not, it has none of the organs to sustain life functions while a baby does have them.

    No, see above.

    And yours toward biology and science and common sense.
    But hey, you still have dogma, that is something right?
     
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    Southpaw Well-Known Member

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    Mak, what is so special about the trip through the birth canal that such trip grants personhood, in your opinion?
     
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    The baby develops in the womb, true. However, to suggest that such development is finished upon birth is no true. Unless, perhaps, you've seen some fully grown and completely developed men and women exiting the birth canal lately.
     
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    prometeus Banned

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    The point is that nature has determined that when birth takes place the fetus has reached a level of development that is optimal for it to take on it own life functions.
    Sure in some cases it can do that earlier, but by far the optimal point is birth.
     
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    What is the significance of what 'nature decides?' Apart from the flimsiness of your implied argument, man does not listen to nature on just about anything. Should we base our laws in health care about whether or not 'nature has decided something?' If my child gets the flu and then dies because I don't take him to a doctor, I will be punished.

    Are you leaving questions of personhood, life, and death up to 'nature?'
     
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    Show me where the definition of baby says he/she has organs.



    More gibberish! :crazy:
     
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    prometeus Banned

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    In this instance it is life or death. It seems that the significance of the ability to have life sustaining functioning organs is over your head. By your logic women instead of aborting should just give birth by the 8th week and since what nature intended is irrelevant if the fetus dies it dies.
     
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    So help me understand. The rule is that you can kill a child in utero early on because he/she is incapable of sustaining him/herself , yet abortion prohibits you from taking a child in utero from the womb after the point that he/she can sustain his/herself because he/she cannot sustain him/herself if that was done?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    It is what makes us people. It is just the same as going from age 12 to age 13 and becoming a teenager. It is the same as turning 18 and becoming an adult. Its like a milestone.

    The development to allow the child to sustain its own life has been completed.
     
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    Not according to Roe!
     
  12. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    Which part of Roe contradicts that and how?
     
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    I disagree that birth is what makes us persons, just like being alive and having human DNA alone does not.
    The mind is what is important and makes us persons, regardless of if it passed through some orifice or not.
     
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    So you think Roe prohibits the killing of some non people while allowing states to regulate the killing of other non people?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Roe allows abortions, which is not killing people.
     
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    So again you are unable to form a coherent answer or support your assertion, thus back to the old reliable, evasion and deflection. You are so predictable.
     

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