Pro Life vs. Pro Choice

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by debatewithme, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Killing a child should not be an option
     
  2. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The choice to kill a child is wrong and should not be allowed. Abortion is a woman not taking responsibility for her actions and giving the child she helped create a right to life.

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    That does not have anything to do with abortion
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    She was not forced into the decision her actions caused it. More use of contraceptives would help stop this. Your belief they think it is right is pure speculation
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Depends who you believe

    http://mainfo.blogspot.com/2011/07/of-post-abortive-women-94-regret.html

     
  5. WhatNow!?

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    Your Exodus quote from the Buybull doesn't mention abortion.... and the Buybull does not govern the world anyway....
     
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    If the right to choose wrong comes with freedom, then why isn't everything legal?
     
  7. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eggs and sperm are alive and human. They are alive before conception. Did you think there is something magical in the sex act that causes dead things to suddenly become alive? Most people do not think that embryoes are "children", and consequently they will act on their own thoughts.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Ironic that the Biblical story, unsupported by any historical evidence, doesn't even deal with abortion but instead relates to the murder of infants (children) after birth which is already prohibited under the laws of the United States.

    This also ignores that the United States Constitution, in the 1st Amendment, prohibits the imposition of religious beliefs under the laws of the United States as that would represent the "establishment" of religion by government that is prohibited (ref Reynolds v United States Supreme Court decision). The US Supreme Court reviewed the abortion laws in the United States in it's Roe v Wade decision and the matter is resolved as the woman, as a person, has Constitutionally protected Rights that cannot be denied by law in the United States.

    People need to understand that their religious beliefs are subordinate to the US Constitution in the United States. They have the freedom to believe in their personal religious beliefs and to live by those beliefs so long as they don't infringe upon the protected Rights of others. If a person. based upon their religious beliefs, doesn't believe in abortion then they are never required to have one. They do not have any Right to prohibit others from having an abortion.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The laws of the United States are based upon the Declaration of Independence where the purpose of government is to protect the inalienable Rights of all persons. The "preborn" are not persons historically so they are not protected by the laws of the United States. The woman is a person and our laws should be protecting her inalienable Right of Sovereignty which includes her Right to make determinations related to her own body. Please read the Roe v Wade decision that covers this issue very well.

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    The laws of the United States are based upon the Declaration of Independence where the purpose of government is to protect the inalienable Rights of all persons. The "preborn" are not persons historically so they are not protected by the laws of the United States. The woman is a person and our laws should be protecting her inalienable Right of Sovereignty which includes her Right to make determinations related to her own body. Please read the Roe v Wade decision that covers this issue very well.
     
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    "would", "should", "could"...do not change a thing....humans are human, human nature hasn't changed in 10,000 years and won't change because you think it "should".
     
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    I think some Anti-Choicers got caught, are stuck with a "responsibility" they didn't want and resent, and so want to take it out on others....make others suffer as they do....
     
  12. RightToLife

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    some people dont talk in nonsense.... the way you refer to someone's own flesh and blood creation is distasteful. some people, like myself would love our children; no matter what.. planned or unplanned
     
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    That is YOU! YOU do not make the rules, YOUR feelings are not the law, YOU are free, get that? FREE to choose to love your children......EVERYONE else is ALSO free to do as they choose. YOU are not the Supreme Ruler.

    Here's my quote, BTW, it said "SOME" SOME got that?????
    AND I wasn't referring to children as anyone who can read would know, I was referring to those who got caught as taking their frustration out on women who chose to abort.


    """I think some Anti-Choicers got caught, are stuck with a "responsibility" they didn't want and resent, and so want to take it out on others....make others suffer as they do....""
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Whether some parents love or don't love their children becomes irrelevant because "children" are protected under the laws of the United States and "children" are irrelevant to the issue of abortion because childhood begins at birth and a child is a person. The "preborn" are not children nor are they persons and have no inalienable Rights estblished by the Constitution of the United States. Please read Roe v Wade.
     
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    Pharaoh told them to abort male child you show you will never admit the truth

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    The point is they are not a human alone. You are just playing word games to make a false point
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You are correct the abortion is murder. They were told to do abortion before the child came out and was born
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you haven't "been there and done that", you don't know what you would really do. You don't know what circumstances would push you to choose abortion, but there IS SOME circumstance out there that would. People who say they would NEVER choose, simply haven't yet faced that circumstance. Try to have a little more empathy.
     
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    Here's YOUR Buybull quote and NOwhere does it mention abortion, just killing BORN male CHILDREN...DUH! Back then they didn't know if it was male or female until it was B O R N:


    Exodus 1:15-21

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    15 Then the king of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives, of whom the name of one was Shiphrah and the name of the other Puah; 16 and he said, “When you do the duties of a midwife for the Hebrew women, and see them on the birthstools, if it is a son, then you shall kill him; but if it is a daughter, then she shall live.” 17 But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive. 18 So the king of Egypt called for the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this thing, and saved the male children alive?”

    19 And the midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are lively and give birth before the midwives come to them.”

    20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives, and the people multiplied and grew very mighty. 21 And so it was, because the midwives feared God, that He provided households for them.
     
  19. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Did you actually read that item from the bible, I doubt it as it clearly states
    the passage is talking about after the birth .. lol you can't even get that right.
     
  20. RightToLife

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    blah blah blah

    just like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...=LLFgm_IXo14BmiHZNHFBnWSw&v=cOTfnz11kBk#t=15s
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    You would know all about blah blah blah as its all you do
     
  22. RightToLife

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    you dont have to be so hard on yourself
     
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    How totally dishonest, unethical , immoral, and Anti-Life to alter the quotes of someone else.

    Shows you are losing the argument and are willing to stoop to lying.
     
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    psssshhh... seriously? stop crying. your obama phone is comming tommorow
     
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    I hope your dictionary is....ever try spell check....??? Education? Learning how to spell?
     

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