"Pro-lifers" want to ban abortion....fine...

I am a very blessed man indeed.

I know. The classification for these women is "moron". I think it is a fitting term.

 

That's very sweet, hope my hunny views me this way in our future together.

Well that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

 

That is correct, two doctors must agree to the abortion - this does not include the morning after pill as in the UK this is not classified as an "abortion"
I have never heard or read about a case where a woman could not find two doctors to agree to the abortion, it is usually her own GP and the Doctor who will perform the abortion who sign the agreement.

 

churchmouse.....quit complaining and ban abortion already. Your talk with zero action....has gotten boring after 40 years.

 

Congratulations then....according to folks like churchmouse....you're a Nazi.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like what churchmouse is after for the most part. But the method is inherently flawed. "Christian" brow beating is still brow beating, no matter how well intentioned. And generally doesn't yield much conversion to your ideals. Just as the left wing managed to slither in and strike, so we must as well but with altruism in mind with regards to life.

Matthew 10:16 " Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

The left wing was patient and they got it, now they zealously defend their victory. They don't have a patent on patience or zealous defense. In time, the moral scales will tip again and it will be set right.

 

I wish you luck with that, however I do feel that the time has passed when the church or religion has the power to change things. To many people are moving away from the dogma of control the church project, and to be honest even the church is starting to recognise this hence its shift in positions on female clergy and other items. I would expect the church to soften its stance on abortion sometime in the future if it wants to remain relevant in Western culture.

 

Meh, I doubt it. Religion has always been with us, and always will be with us. Names may change of course given time.

But I do find it amusing that the LDS Church continues to grow despite impediments placed in its way. The LDS Church hasn't budged on a lot of issues, this isn't going to be one of them despite the heat taken from third parties and the public in general. And we'll continue to grow despite cultural norms and fluctuations of morality.

 

Gemini Frye......do you actually believe that you can ban abortion even "some time in the future"...

and enforce it?

 

Not the aim at all from my way of thinking. My goal is to have people want children, and do everything they could possible to keep them.

Enforcing "thou shalt not whack thine unborn child" is the furthest thing from my mind. I seek to restore the desire for them. Incentive is more powerful than punitive in my opinion. I'd rather have people looking for ways to have them, not whack them.

 

How exactly do you plan to influence the wants and needs of all the people in the world?


How do you plan to change human nature? Wouldn't that be heresy? trying to change what your god made??

 

So you're basically a "Win hearts and minds" "pro-lifer"? Not a "Womb Police" "pro-lifer".

If true and you're consistant on that point....we have no argument. Since yours is basically just an "evangelism" response and not a draconian totalitarian one.

 

So here is where we'll butt heads then. I don't want to pay for it either with taxes - birth control or abortions or controversial sex education. What they do on their dime is on them and thus outside of my influence. But when public money is spent on programs I find detestable I will vote against it. And by doing so I am called a woman hater, misogynist, control freak, womb cop. All of which are simply a lie. If I hated women so much I would get a lot more use out of a crowbar.

I'm not against birth control on principal - I use it, but I am against having to pay for it for another just because a herd of morons can vote for it. Neither am I against sex ed on principal - I'll teach it to my kids my way, but I won't be including what the state says is "healthy and normal" by any stretch with reference to LGBT. Not to mention the usurpation of State sovereignty on the matter by the Federal government. But that is another matter.

But for the most part, yeah, I'm a hearts and minds kind of guy. If you still want to whack your child I can't and won't stop you, but I will try to persuade you to do otherwise.

 

Since you asked legitimate questions, I'll answer them.

Persuasion.

Persuasion.

Quite the opposite really, force is the heresy part. If you'd like to learn more about the LDS faith you are free to ask me or peruse the links in my signature.

 

NO thank you! Blech! I'm not one to join herds.
I do notice that you place yourself right up there with your god...YOU claim you can change human nature ...LOL!!!! Better people than you have tried and so far humans still act just like what they were created, humans.


And I notice it's just women's nature you want to change....

 

Pride implant detected...rejected. Fiction. Although I do believe I can become like him via obedience to his doctrines. With the corresponding glory for women as well.

Wrong again, I never claimed such awesome power. I hope to persuade others into changing themselves enough so that God can do the rest on them.

Obviously, but contrary to your belief, human beings can grow and learn in every facet of life.

When men can have abortions I'll start persuading them too.

 

Well, ok. But with respect to abortion, I think something more is required. See, back in agrarian days, children were a boon financially...another worker for the fields. Now, we live in a society where children are incredibly expensive, and the only counterbalance is tax credits. So basically people who don't have kids are paying for the ones who do. I am against abortion, because it violates the most basic human right- the right to life. But I am also against stealing from one person to give to another person just for squeezing out more welfare babies. So I guess what I'm saying is that the persuasion needs to include a financial element, and also be fair to the rest of society. The key is to somehow make children profitable again (without selling them).

 

Putting a price tag on the value of human life devalues it infinitely. I don't think there should be tax credits because it is essentially prostitution on a mass scale - and if I am not willing to pay for abortion, why should I expect another to give me tax credits because I have children?

The key is reshaping the lens in which we view children. Not as burdens, but as treasures, signs of glory and prosperity.

 

So you contend men don't need any improvement or changing, only women....just like I said.

 

Update to previous post.

When men have a say in it, or they start having them, I'll start persuading them too. So yes, only women need to change since men have no say in it.

 

Cherry picking again ...... so you contend that the only evil in the world , the only bad thing that needs changing is women who use abortion....but you don't have a problem with women ???? LOL!


I guess you don't find anything wrong with men raping or murdering or being unable to use birth control..... must be that LDS "indoctrination"...



YOU: """Wrong again, I never claimed such awesome power. I hope to persuade others into changing themselves enough so that God can do the rest on them. """


Me: From another post : I asked , How do you plan to change human nature?
YOU answered, Persuasion.

 

Your words, not mine. And hardly inclusive of all the evils in the world.

It is abundantly clear you know very little about LDS doctrine. I'd be happy to share with you if you would like.

Look up persuasion.

 

I know what persuasion means....do you know what human nature means??? Doesn't look like it...or you'd know it's impossible to change.

And your real agenda is quite obvious when you feel that only women need "persuasion"...

 

My agenda was never a secret. And since women hold the cards, they are the only ones needing persuading in regards to abortion.

Don't worry, you'll figure it out someday.

 

Men hold the cards equally when it comes to preventing the need for abortion. The best outcome for all is that fewer women are faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Ever thought about using your powers of persuasion for that end?