Putin wants to rename city Volgograd to Stalingrad, whats next? Gulag reopening?

Josef Stalin murdered 30 million people.

Ovadia Yosef never murdered anyone.

Your comparison is ignorant and pathetic.

 

It was not a deflection as you well know, you are not stupid. I mentioned Attaturk to show that there are others who have committed greater atrocities than Stalin, and yet are idolized by whole nations, not a small segment of former communists as Stalin is in Russia. So no matter how much certain posters try to present Stalin as being idolized by all of Russia for their own political reasons, does not make it so. It only shows them to be advocates of disinformation.

This might be so, I don't know that much about it, after all he was an evil man so his mind would have been geared more on doing harm to others than what would have been the best for his own people. I read once that he didn't warn the people in Leningrad about the food shortage so they could preserve it, and this led to what is now believed to be about one and a half million deaths. It would have been more deaths if Churchill had not told Roosevelt about it so the U.S. could start its lend lease program. There were truckloads of food landing in the Far East or Iran, and then driven all the way to Leningrad by the Russian soldiers

Another thing I read was that the Germans grossly underestimated the amount of tanks the Soviets had, and this was one of the reasons for their defeat. The Soviets also had an unlimited amount of soldiers who were not Russians from the East. Anyway I do consider Stalin totally evil, as was Hitler, Lenin, Mao and a great many others who created the situation that led to the horrors of WWI and WWII, such as Karl Marx, and even Bismark, because by uniting Germany he imposed the Prussian military culture on all the German people.

 

No, that statement does not make any sense.

Russians had absolute power in the Russian Empire that had a bigger territory that the USSR and existed more than 1000 years.
Some of Russian nobility were of German-Baltic origin, but they converted to Orthodox Christianity and defined themselves as Russians.

Before the criminal anti-Christian Bolsheviks started their genocide against Russians, the Russian Empire was already a great European nation that gave to the world Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky, the Russian Ballet, and so on.

What to Serbians - there was no great Serbia, there was just a province, called Serbia, and this province was later subjugated by the communist Yugoslavia.

If Serbs were masters in Yugoslavia, then they would never have lost the cradle of Serbia, called Kosovo.

If Russians were masters in the SU, then they would never have given the New Russia and the Crimean Peninsula to an artificially created Soviet Ukraine.

As simple, as that.

No, it was not the, because Communism was an international ideology, this anti-Christian ideology was used to plunder the Christian Russia and the Russian people and to give away Russian territory.

Fascism is a national ideology, Stalin was an internationalist, and he spoke broken Russian.

How can a Georgian who could only speak broken Russian be a Russian nationalist?

Putin is religious, but he is a pure democrat (ein lupenreiner Dempokrat).
He cannot be a fascist, because Russian Federation is (according to constitution) a multinational and multi-religious state.
There are a lot of prominent Russian Jews who support Putin.

That is the opinion of many prominent historians, including the prominent Russian military expert Sergei Kovalev.
Do you have any valid arguments to debunk a Russian military expert?
Please attack the arguments, not the person who puts forward the arguments!

There are a lot of Jews who still live in Russia, many of them returned from Germany or Israel back to Russia.
And these Jews support Putin. Some Jews live in Germany, because they are (according to German laws) "victims of the Holocaust", even if they lived during WWII in Tashkent.

According to German laws these Jews get a lot of compensations in Germany, that is the reason why they prefer Germany to Israel.

Another blanket statement about Russians, you constantly talk about "THE Russians".

The Russian state does not discriminate Jews, many Jews are happy in Russia and support Putin.

SOME Russians do not like SOME Jews, and SOME Jews do not like SOME Russians and SOME Germans, that is all.

Stop making blanket statements, try to be impartial.

 

Neither Josef Stalin, nor Karl Marx, nor Ovadia Yosef murdered anybody with their own hands.

But their teachings created murderers, like Marxism created Stalin and Mao who murdered millions.

 

Hmmm! So that's why the Kaisar sent in Lenin, and here I thought it was to create chaos so he could win the war. Interesting!

Oh! And here I thought Lenin's ideas were Marxist, and that he was opposed to national states. Interesting!

Oh, and here I thought his faith was something only monastics knew about? Interesting!

But didn't you say you are Turkish in the thread about Turkey blocking the Euphrates River? Make up your mind, are you Turkish or German because it seems to me that many Turks in Germany have that same confusion, otherwise why would Merkel have been booed so readily in the rally Erdogan had lately in Germany? You people are walking on thin ice I think.

Hmmm, I'm not too sure about that. The ones who flew in recently from Moscow for my cousins wedding seemed pretty content.

 

Yes, that is the opinion of many prominent historians, including the prominent Russian military expert Sergei Kovalev.
Can you debunk his arguments?

What to Zhirinovsky (born Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein) he is not a historian, he is off-topic, he is just a Jewish show-man who wanted to migrate to Israel in the early 80th, he helped many Jews to migrate from the SU to Israel, and many people believe that he is a fake, a controlled opposition.

He just plays the role of a "Russian fascist", that is all.

If you want to prove that there is fascism in Russia, why do you name the Jew Eidelstein who pretends to be a Russian fascists?

And what have GULAG and other crimes of anti-Christian Bolsheviks against Russian people and other Christians to do with today Russia that restored the Russian sanctuaries, destroyed by anti-Russian and anti-Christian Bolsheviks?

Can you answer these simple questions?

Was the GULAG and NKVD run by Christians, or were the Christians victims of NKVD and prisoners of this GULAG-System run by anti-Christians?

 

Good questions and good arguments!

I hope that your opponents will be able to answer them or debunk them.

You are not allowed to ask these questions, the moderators may consider this to be a personal attack!!!!!

 

neither did Hitler. so Hitler is innocent of murder????

 

I am as much turkish as you are german. And I never said I was turkish. That is a statement Art Allm had in his comments. Also he has the idea I am jewish. I am not. I am not intrested in religion - I know about that rule that the mother does give blablabla...I do not cate. I am simply what I am and I never did get any jewish education.

That I speak turkish does make me as much turkish as I am english because I do speak english.


Erdogan to me is a turkish nationalist and religious radical who should better take care to save the ideas of Attatürk. To me, he is not wellcomed in Germany and his idea to tell germans of turkish origin that Turkey is their "fatherland" I think is very offending and insulting: he wants them to pay for Turkey and I only can advice our germans of turkish origin to do what they want and not what he wants. I dislike people who stop integration in our melting pot.

I support Germany beeing a big melting pot - I think that is our biggest chance to avoid beeing isolated, old and unproductive. Integration does mean two things to me: An immigrant population what is willing to be curious and to go in our direction and a native society what wellcomes them with open arms.

Neither Erdogan, nor german right wing is able to manage such exercise. They are both retards to me.

But that is about different issues.

 

Do you also support the same policies for Israel, or do you believe that Israel has the right to remain a "Jewish state"?

 

why do you keep trolling by bringing up Jews and Israel in EVERY thread?

 

He was defending his own ass and his murderous regime.
Many Russian Christians believed that he was the Antichrist, and that Germany will rescue the Christian Russia.

In fact, Stalin hated Russians, but he had to change his attitude towards Russians, because the Communist ideology did not work.
The Russians were not ready to die for a murderous regime that destroyed their national sanctuaries and committed a genocide against the Russian people.

That is why Stalin had to paddle back and revive Russian patriotism.

And that is the reason why many ignorant Russian war veterans still believe that Stalin was a Russian patriot.

But after WWII Stalin immediately abolished the Victory Day, because he hated Russians and was afraid of Russian patriotism.

But it was too late, he died, and after his death the Victory Day was preserved as a national holiday.

 

Lavrentiy Beria was not a Jew.

Grigory Petrovsky was not a Jew.

Nikolai Vlasik was not a Jew.

Martin Latsis was not a Jew.

Ivan Serov was not a Jew.

Vsevolod Merkulov was not a Jew.

Mikhail Sergeevich Kedrov was not a Jew.

Nikolai Yezhov was not a Jew.

Felix Dzerzhinsky was not a Jew.

Pyotr Fedotov was not a Jew.

Bogdan Zaharovich Kobulov was not a Jew.

Yakov Peters was not a Jew.

looks like you have some homework to do.

 

Is that the issue inhere?

Israel is the only state jews do have. It is by the way also the only democracy in the region. Jews did suffer so long, especially from germans - the consequence is the absolut necessity for them to have one refugium what will be always safe. That does not mean:

that other religions can not be respected, they are respected
that any critics about Israel is antisemitic: I do not support the social policy in Israel. Rental law in israel is to me a desaster and causes much social tention. But I do not, unlike a lot of antisemits use that to doubt its existance, never! And we as germans do have the duty (in my case also the wish) to help to defent Israels existance.

I think you will never agree on me here. I do think you are deeply antisemitic. As I told you: we are not the same sort of germans and I think I am part of modern Germany what is respected and taking over responsibility - also for Israel. It does as I said not mean that I blindly support all what Isael is doing, but anybody who puts in question the right of existance of that democracy is to me not able to be a partner for my fatherland.

Part of the national identity is for Israel the fact, that it is a jewish state.

So I support that. If Israel would become a dictatiorship, I would think that should be stopped. But that is impossible to me and to make it cear:

If a country attacks Israel seriously, I would not hesitate to ask german military to intervene. Israel is our german responsibility. I do not talk about guilt. Young germans are not guilty and I do refuse súch idea. But I do consider Germany beeing responsible for the security of that wonderful country.

You wont agree, I am with german mainstream again.


All that can and should integrate a good relationship, if possible to arab countries. But our first priority must and will be that Israel is safe. And that includes a harsh and clear position about beeing oposed to any antisemitism.

Russia is deeply involved into antisemitism. That I cannot tolerate.

My feelings for Israel are not connected to a specific goverment. I dislike Netanjahu and I think he could think about beeing more moderate in his policy. But again: I will never tolerate any position what is putting in question the right of existance for Israel and if Israel is not a jewish stae, it wont exist.

So my answer here is crystal clear and I am clearly harshly oposed to you.

 

don't feed his anti-Semitic derails/trolling.

 

I have lived in Moscow for 35 years, and I have never seen such buses. So I consider this as a very very rare thing. As they say it here-it is definetly not a mainstream.

 

You are 100% right but as beeing german and as beeing a german patriot, it gets so much on my nervs that such person does bash as a german jews and Israel and there, cannot help it, I feel responsible.

At least to make clear that I do not at all share such junk.

But you are right. Troll is troll

 

You sir are a decent German. I appreciate your commitment to democracy, freedom, and equality. I hope to someday visit Germany and meet Germans like you.

 

You have of corse all kind of germans, but I know the germans around me: a lot of foreign origin, but we are all germans and we all support our (you say soccer) team in Brasil. With a lot of temper, believe me! I bought today a german flag for the car. My daughter wanted it very much. We also ad a brasilian one, my wife should be also happy (brasilian origin)

I am sort of pretty sure: we or Brasil will win - in my house so a big reason to celebrate soon. An american friend in my street I know since 15 years also supports Germany.

What bothers me are germans who cannot respect that patriotism can come out of such ideals you discribed about me. But that's the way it is.

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it was to celebrate 70 year anniversary of WW2.

but its no excuse. Stalin and Hitler were soul mates of evil.

 

I was not that time already in Russia... Increadible

 

I am pro-Semitic, I support the native Semites in Palestine who were driven out by the Zionist occupants.
I think that you are anti-Russian and anti-German, but you are pro-Zionist.

You would insult me, if you said that we are the same sort of Germans!

In a nutshell:

You are advocating a "Melting Pot" for Germany, and a "Jewish State" for Israel.
And you believe that this is what a "good German" must advocate, isn't it?

 

There was no such place as "Stalingrad" either before Stalin decided he needed to glorify himself. It was always Volgograd before that.

 

with all due respect, your anti-Semitic comments on this forum are notorious:

Art_Allm:
No comment is needed, only if the victims are Jewish children, then we are supposed to have compassion for them.

If the criminals are Jews, then the Jews are proud of their crimes.

Art_ Allm:
Yes, a non-Jew can become a Jew, but he has to be useful to the Jews.
The Rabbis will decide, if the candidate is useful.
If the Jewish community is too small to survive, then conversion is accepted.
It the Middle Ages many non-Jews converted to Judaism, but this stopped in the 20th century.
Anyone cannot become a Jew, because there have to be "chosen" and "goyim" (according to Judaism).
If everybody is a Jew, who will serve the Jews?

Art_Allm:
Romans expelled only a couple of extremists, Hebrew terrorists, called Zelots.
Decent Hebrews joint the new Hebrew sect, called Christians.
Palestinian Christians are their descendants.
Only the Zelots and Pharisees were expelled, and they converted many non-Hebrews to their religin, which is called 'Talmudic Judaism'.
Most today Jews are descendants of Khazars and Slavs from Russia.

 

To be fair, he's up against something even worse across the ocean and on his nation's doorstep.