Question concerning West Bank

You continue to fail to cite what you copy.

You whine about Gaza, but can't remember that Hamas in Gaza is strongly opposed by President Abbas by Palestine.

And, no. There will NEVER be peace as long as Israel refuses to even TALK about peace and continues its program of atrocities against Palestine.

AND, as long as the USA contributes its strong economic and political defense of Israel and provides military aid in order to assure that Israel can continue its war on Palestine.

 

Israel has laws and government practices that are clearly stated to benefit Jews over other citizens.

Any state that does that IS apartheid - it's only a matter of degree after that.

 

Please post a list of those laws and government practices, and explain why and how are those stated to benefit Jews over other citizens.

 

@WillReadmore your post still doesn't explain why a Jewish state automatically qualifies as apartheid. Japan has laws that are clearly stated to benefit Japanese. Is Japan an apartheid? Should Japan become a non-Japanese state?

 

There are strict religion related immigration laws.

There are special policies concerning where Arabs are allowed and not allowed to live.

That's good enough right there. If you want to know the rest, then do the work.

 

Well, being a "Jewish State" IS an apartheid statement, of course.

But, that's not what I pointed to.

Japan isn't a religion. If it changed its name to the Shinto State of Japan, and created laws favoring Shintoism, that would start being questionable.

 

Hamas doesn't, and Hamas controls Gaza.

Oh Bull ****. Are the Islamic States completely free of Kafir? Have you ever declared them to be "apartheid" states? Do you just hate Jews or something?

Hamas refuses to negotiate because they do not recognize the Jewish State.

Fake News, Netanyahu just told Jake Tapper that he most certainly is open to negotiations with the Palestinians.

One day, they WILL live side by side, in peace.

 

You are quite a piece of work. In 5 quoted sentences, I provided SEVEN links.

Fake News, I state facts, you seem a little something, though.

You have the reading comprehension of a mud puddle, I just told you that Abbas SUPPORTS the blocading of Gaza, for the same reason everyone else does, it's a terrorist enclave run by the terrorists group, Hamas.

Fake News, Hamas refuses to negotiate with Israel because they religiously dedicated to wiping the Jewish State off the map.

One day, a generation will arise that recognises the right of the Jewish State to exist behind secure borders, and there WILL be peace.

 

Your sources of Hamas thought come from radicals, some of whom aren't even in Gaza.

If you want to discus "Islamic States", start a thread. You will find that I don't agree with the idea of a government based on a religion. And, this mistake by various countries is NOT an excuse for Israel demanding that Palestine recognize Israel as a "Jewish" state.

No, Hamas is more than willing to discuss their treatment, cease fire conditions, etc., in Gaza.

But, they give President Abbas the right to negotiate the issues of a Palestinian state.

It makes NO SENSE for there to be multiple representatives of Palestine trying to negotiate at the same time. YOUR idea (and it IS your idea) just doesn't even make sense.

Yes, Netanyahu says he is interested in there being a two state solution - a startling change since the days when he stated that there would NEVER be a two state solution as long as he breathed.

The catch is in actually negotiating.

You keep claiming there will be peace.

But, NOTHING you say has anything at all to do with there ever being peace.

 

When you make a single word in a sentence a link, people aren't going to find that. You don't get credit for cites you hide.

Yes. I've pointed out many times that President Abbas wants the end of Hamas, which controls Gaza. The most important move was made by Abbas forming a unity government to which Hamas signed on - a move that required a commitment to never using violence for resolution and a surrender of the revenue of border crossings that is the source of Hamas power.

Israel BLOCKED that!! It would have ended Hamas.

Then, YOU cite radicals who claim to be Hamas while not even living in Gaza as if they are representatives of Palestine!!!

And, your "Jewish state" whine is a ridiculous excuse made for Israel blocking negotiations.

Palestine recognizes Israel as a permanent state alongside which they will live forever.

That state of Israel does now and forever will include Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others.

 

Egypt isn't against the blockade, and both Abbas and Israel support blocading the terrorists of Hamas.

And then Hamas swept the elections and would sweep the presidency and the legislative election, which is exactly why Abbas refuses to hold presidential and legislative elections, Hamas would promptly be in control of all of Palestine, and Hamas is dedicated to the complete destruction of the Jewish State.

If Abbas was firmly the choice of all of Palestine, they would be much further than they are to a Two State solution.

The final lines will be determined in negotiation.

Try 20 question marks next time. Hamas most certainly DOES represent the Gaza, and if Abbas didn't keep blocking presidential and legislative elections, they would likely control the West Bank as well. As long as Hamas is the likely choice of Palestine, and Hamas is dedicated to the complete destruction of the Jewish State, a final peace is not yet possible.

Fake news. Hamas refuses to negotiate with Israel because they are committed to the destruction of the Jewish State, and Gaza will not accept anything that the West Bank 'negotiates' if it does not match Hamas' exact demands that they have laid out. That's not a 'negotiation' that's a demand for the surrender of the Jewish State.

In groundbreaking ruling, Middle Eastern Islamic council declares 'fatwa' against Hamas.

And your claim is fake news.

https://www.vox.com › world › 22447820 › israel-hamas-ceasefire-palestine-gaza-truce-meaning
Israel-Hamas ceasefire: What it means for the future of the conflict - Vox
'The ceasefire announced Thursday between Israel and Hamas will hopefully end the worst of the violence that in the course of 11 days killed well over 200 ...'

https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2022 › aug › 11 › gaza-how-airstrikes-gave-yahir-lapid-a-bounce-ahead-of-israeli-polls
Israel's ceasefire with Islamic Jihad holds as PM's bet on Hamas pays ...
'A ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the second-largest militant group in the Gaza Strip, appeared to be holding this week, ending three days of cross-border fighting that...'
https://www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-62457780

Israel-Gaza: Ceasefire holds overnight after days of violence
'A ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip appears to be holding. The Egypt-brokered truce followed three days of violence with Israel targeting the Palestinian...'
https://www.businessinsider.com › israel-hamas-agree-to-ceasefire-after-bloodiest-fighting-in-years-2021-5?op=1

Israel and Hamas agree to a cease-fire, potentially ending the ...
Israel's security cabinet voted to approve the truce, which was proposed by Egypt. A Hamas official told Reuters the cease-fire would be "mutual and simultaneous." The cease-fire will take effect ...'
https://www.scmp.com › news › world › middle-east › article › 3134271 › israel-weighs-gaza-truce-hamas-says-possible-friday

Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire to end 11-day war
'Israel and Hamas agree to ceasefire to end 11-day war Egyptian-mediated truce between Israel and Hamas began on Friday At least 232 Palestinians and 12 people in Israel were killed in the violence'
https://www.timesofisrael.com › as-islamic-jihad-sparks-gaza-israel-conflict-all-eyes-are-on-hamas

Today in History: Israel-Hamas Agree to a Cease Fire
'This ceasefire resulted after an eight-day, intensive war campaign, known as "Operation Pillar of Defense" in the Hamas-governed Gaza strip; the conflict was precipitated by the killing of Chief Ahmad Jabari via Israeli airstrike and the consequent launch of 100 rockets over Israel.'
https://www.timesofisrael.com › why-israel-may-want-a-ceasefire-and-why-it-might-not-be-easy-to-achieve

Do you even know what a search bar is? I found several examples in less than 3 seconds.

Fake News. It sounds like you are repeating fake news that the Times was forced to retract

https://www.jns.org › new-york-times-walks-back-false-report-on-gaza-fishing-industry
New York Times walks back false report on Gaza fishing industry

'New York Times walks back false report on Gaza fishing industry Using official Palestinian statistics, the CAMERA media watchdog proved to the Times that fishermen in the Hamas-ruled enclave have more than doubled their annual catch in the last 15 years.'



One day they WILL live side by side, in peace.

 

Asked and answered. You need to stick to specific questions and when I answer them, you can't switch up your question. You have to ask a NEW question.

This is totally off topic AND without a cite.

Israel has not ceased its acts of war against Gaza. And, ceasefires last short periods of time, as note by your various cites.

Israel does not allow Gaza to fish its international waters.

In 2019, Israel EXPANDED the limits of what Gaza may fish to TEN MILES for fishing. This increased their catch of food fish, a seriously needed food supply for a state that is BLOCKADED.

But, YOU posted a mistake about quantity of fish. But, that was NEVER an issue brought up by me on this thread.

Gazan water rights extend 12 miles, just like those of Israel. Israel is still offending.


The Israeli blockade still prevents Palestine from realizing the natural resources in its territorial waters. Gaza could be the source of BILLIONS of dollars in revenue that would allow Palestine to approach being a first world state with first world interests.

This adds to Israel's outrageous suppression of Palestinian rights by Israel, something that Palestine is fully aware of and adds to the recognized criminal nature of Israel's war of aggression.

https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves

 

Who cares what you think? Israel has chosen to be a Jewish State. Islamic States choose to be Islamic States. You claim that a Jewish State is an apartheid state, which is essentially saying that it has no right to exist as a Jewish state, but, refuse to say the same about an Islamic State. Israel does not need your approval to exist as a Jewish State.

You previously claimed that Israel refused to negotiate a ceasefire with Hamas, when in fact, they have negotiated many.

You previously claimed he would not even consider it.

There will be, one day.

 

The hyperlink IS a cite. In groundbreaking ruling, Middle Eastern Islamic council declares 'fatwa' against Hamas. You claim it's unjust for Israel to blocade the terrorist enclave of Gaza, and, you even blame Israel for EGYPT'S blockade of the terrorist area, even though, even Abbas supports Israel's blockade of Gaza! Even the Middle Eastern Islamic Council has issued a fatwa against Hamas, because, they are terrorists.

You previously falsely claimed that Israel does not allow Gaza to fish, at all, yet another false claim. All your false claims miss in the same direction.

One day there will be peace between Israel and Palestine.

 

Quote the specific laws, please.

You forget that I live in Israel. I know everything there is to know.

 

They aren't hidden. I don't need your credit.

 

Ethnic and racial discrimination in housing is of course legal in Israel. Israel rejects pretty much every single building permit submitted by Arabs in the West Bank.

 

West Bank is not in Israel. Most Palestinians in West Bank live on PA territory. Building permits for PA controlled territory are issued by the PA, not by Israel.

Your post is not an answer to the post you quoted.

 

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians live in Area C, which is under total Israeli control. Pretty much ALL of their building permits are denied by the Israeli authorities. While ILLEGAL Jewish construction gets retroactive building permits. That's Apartheid.

 

No, not all their building requests are denied. Use google, it doesn't bite.

Why do you think that only Jews live in settlements across the green line?

Define Apartheid.

 

Almost all Arab building permits in Area C are denied. Smells like Apartheid.

 

I agree and have said so. The fact of the light version of Israeli apartheid comes from what they do, not what they call themselves.

For Israel to state that Palestine won't recognize Israel as a permanent state is BS. Palestine does recognize Israel as a permanent state.

Israel accepted the ceasefire negotiated by Egypt.

I stand by what I said.

Israel shows NO moves that could possibly be interpreted as considering that a future two state solution would ever be possible.

 

Will the Israeli government allow Arabs to live in any residential area they choose?

 

No, I did not say that fishing is proscribed. It is restricted. Before 2019 it was SERIOUSLY restricted, leaving Gaza with miles of sea, but the fish were farther offshore - where Israel would shoot at fishing boats that followed the schools of fish.

In 2019, Israel allowed fishermen to fish farther out toward their international boundary, but not full access.

Israel may fish in their own waters and any waters outside of the international boundary's of other countries, even including as far away as the Atlantic.

In other words, Gaza is seriously limited by the Israeli fishing blockade - blockades being universally recognized as acts of war.

 

You're repositioning after I called you on your false claim, which is below.

It's not forbidden, but, it is controlled, because they are Terrorists. Even Egypt and Abbas support the naval blocade of the terrorist group.

https://www.haaretz.com › 2010-06-13 › ty-article › abbas-to-obama-im-against-lifting-the-gaza-naval-blockade › 0000017f-e124-d568-ad7f-f36fc3b80000
'Abbas to Obama: I'm Against Lifting the Gaza Naval Blockade
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is opposed to lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because this would bolster Hamas, according to what he told United States President Barack Obama during their meeting at the White House Wednesday. Egypt also supports this position. Arab League Chief Visits Gaza for Talks With Hamas'

When enough Palestinians recognise the Jewish State's right to exist behind secure borders, they will reduce support Hamas, who are religiously committed to the complete destruction of the Jewish State, and once Palestine is no longer controlled by Terrorists, they will live side by side with Israel, in peace.