Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Greatest I am, Jul 29, 2015.

  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Religious people treat their ideals as truth regardless of facts. So, there's that.
     
  2. rahl

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    Nope. 2 straight men can now marry. This isn't about the sexual orientation of the couple, though obviously 2 straight men don't want to marry one another. The issue was about the arbitrary and unconstitutional restriction of opposite sex couples only for marriage. Just like the arbitrary and unconstitutional restriction of same race couples only for marriage.
     
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    Nope. There is no legal difference between the two marriages. They are identical.

    This is incoherent.

    The Supreme Court ruled an existing law was unconstitutional. They didn't create a law. And getting the same rights as someone else is equal, not special.

    This doesn't even attempt to make sense.
     
  4. Qchan

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    But I don't.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amazing. Most atheists have no idea or opinion on the multiverse or M theory. What I find amusing is your generalization of atheist thought despite the fact that most atheists are more than familiar with accepting questions that are unanswerable, where as theist REQUIRE an answer - god did - it to feel complete.

    got news for ya, some theists also believe in the multiverse being a decent explanation of what came before, but they are scientists so they relegate that "theory" to its rightful place in science - philosophy.

    Keep digging.
     
  6. JoeSixpack

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    There is a saying, you can't rape the willing.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Must have missed your "simulated reality" hypothesis.
     
  8. Qchan

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    If I were to be politically correct, then stamping a worldview on an atheist would be impossible since their worldviews differ wildly. I don't have time to address individual worldviews.

    So, in regard to M theory being a theory... It's a theory. I dunno why you feel like you need to reclassify it as something else, but I suppose it doesn't matter. Atheist will say anything to try to prove their points, even if it means saying something self-refuting.

    Anyway, my point was that atheists need to point the finger at themselves because they believe in things in which there's no scientific evidence for, such as abiogenesis.
     
  9. tecoyah

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    Obviously it is very possible to "Stamp a Worldview" on Atheists, as you just did it.

    By the way:
    "Sutherland’s team took a different approach in what Harvard molecular biologist Jack Szostak called a “synthetic tour de force” in an accompanying commentary in Nature.

    “By changing the way we mix the ingredients together, we managed to make ribonucleotides,” said Sutherland. “The chemistry works very effectively from simple precursors, and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth.”

    Like other would-be nucleotide synthesizers, Sutherland’s team included phosphate in their mix, but rather than adding it to sugars and nucleobases, they started with an array of even simpler molecules that were probably also in Earth’s primordial ooze.

    They mixed the molecules in water, heated the solution, then allowed it to evaporate, leaving behind a residue of hybrid, half-sugar, half-nucleobase molecules. To this residue they again added water, heated it, allowed it evaporate, and then irradiated it.

    At each stage of the cycle, the resulting molecules were more complex. At the final stage, Sutherland’s team added phosphate. “Remarkably, it transformed into the ribonucleotide!” said Sutherland.

    According to Sutherland, these laboratory conditions resembled those of the life-originating “warm little pond” hypothesized by Charles Darwin if the pond “evaporated, got heated, and then it rained and the sun shone.”

    http://www.wired.com/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
     
  10. Qchan

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    How about you answer my post here?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=418804&p=1065251683#post1065251683
     
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    Funny you should mention that.. some people simply can't accept: We just don't know.. so they have to invent something or change scripture.
     
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    History can not be changed that is why atheist struggles to disproved God.
    Theologians all agreed with the historicity of the Bible they work hard to make sure that fake documents are identified since enemies of Jesus have been trying hard to destroy, exterminate and discredit Jesus they had him crucified they went after his Apostles it didn't worked so they started to flood the world with fake manuscripts in order to distort and to drawn the truth about Jesus that is why Theologians worked hard to preserved the truth the real history of Jesus Christ.

    Those are claims made by atheist and deniers of history that is why it was and will never be accepted as fact only as fiction and myth good for movies such as De Vinci Code.


    Since the 1st century Christians have been persecuted then 20th century atheist regimes in Russia, Mexico, China, etc. launch a massive and oppressive campaign against Christians for being Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perse...ution_of_early_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire
    The first documented case of imperially supervised persecution of the Christians in the Roman Empire begins with Nero (37–68). In 64 AD, a great fire broke out in Rome, destroying portions of the city and economically devastating the Roman population. Some people suspected Nero himself as the arsonist, as Suetonius reported,[12] claiming he played the lyre and sang the 'Sack of Ilium' during the fires. In his Annals, Tacitus (who wrote that Nero was in Antium at the time of the fire's outbreak), stated that "to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians (or Chrestians)[13] by the populace" (Tacit. Annals XV, see Tacitus on Jesus).

    By the mid-2nd century AD, mobs could be found willing to throw stones at Christians, and they might be mobilized by rival sects. The Persecution in Lyon in which Christians were mass-slaughtered by being thrown to wild beasts under the decree of Roman officials for reportedly refusing to renounce their faith according to St. Irenaeus[15] was preceded by mob violence, including assaults, robberies and stonings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
    The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should
    accept.[4][5] The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.[
     
  14. Incorporeal

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    Does that include every Theologian that has ever lived?
     
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    Yes but the dumb will automatically smarten up if they hear something intelligent often enough.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  17. Durandal

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    Sure you don't. Tell me about how the flood of Noah was possible again, will you?
     
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    In that post, I asked you if what I listed was true.
     
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    I think we've already went over this.

    Your issue is that your distaste for God is bleeding into other issues that may be possible, but are somehow not possible in your mind because it deals with the bible. As I've told Greatest I Am, African American slavery was prophesied in the bible thousands of years before it happened. Do you now think slavery in America didn't happen? Was the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade a myth made up by the fantasy of men? I'm willing to hear your response on this.
     
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    The same way Justice can be an ideal.

    It represents the concept itself.
    The Truth will set you free" is an example of Christ working in your life, as you see the Truth, and change your behavior.

    We saw Rev Martin Luther King take a stand using the Truth, in general, about Civil Rights not be equal.
    He won that argument.
     
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    Yeah,...
    These attempts to discredit scripture have long been used by those people who didn't like the Bible.
    But the Talmud, a Jewish writing, tells us all about Jesus and things he and Mary and others did in 32 AD.
    These are the very people, the rabbi, who hated Jesus then.

    That they, the Rabbi of the Talmud, wrote about him, and stated things he did is all the evidence needed to see that the NT is sound.
     
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    They do.
    But I meant Truth itself.

    Truth is describes the past realities which have occurred.
    It like the history of Reality.

    Christians were told by Christ that he symbolized that ideal.
    He was Truth, itself.

    The resurrection was to acknowledge that Truth can not be killed, not forever hidden.
    It will always rise back up again.
     
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    I told you that "flood" was the only way a writer could tell the story about 22 species evolving which ended with us, Modern man.
    The story could not have been explained as we now understand the rather amazing real past.
    The "flood" was us, leaving Africa and spreading out over all the world.

    The whole story makes comments and tells things which support this idea.
     
  24. Durandal

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    African slavery... Huh, I haven't heard it claimed that that was predicted in the bible, but then I'm not really surprised either. Some people really have no qualms about reading whatever they like into the bible, you being among them of course.

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    Your BS differs strongly from Qchan's. I wonder which of you has it right?
     
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    Well, the bible is pretty specific. So, you tell me:


    I don't know of any other people who have gone through this except the African American. Because the bible goes in so much detail, its hard to call this a lucky guess.
     

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