Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

Oh yeah.. that old British parlor game about British Israelites.. LOLOL

 

Hmmm,...
My view of scripture is that science supports what is written, while Qchan tries to make medieval interpretations by people still hold as right, even when Evolution and Genetics and modern Science shows those ancient bible readers had it somewhat wrong.

I have asked him why he needs stick with tales no one but his own church peopke will accept if the master plan is to get the next generation into Christianity.
But he sticks to the olde olde.

 

According the you Noah's flood covered Mt Everest with 22 feet to spare.

 

They both do and you do also. Depending on which perspective you are willing to accept as true.

 

So how are these things not referring to the Holocaust?

 

After 1937, anti- Semitic activities in Egypt increased. Suddenly, anti-Semitic violence was no longer considered to be simply a political manoeuvre for the personal gain of the rising political power, but instead was regarded as a symbolic act of retribution. An increase in legislated forms of oppression made it illegal for non- nationals to hold high political, economic or educational posts (geared toward the largely foreign Jewish population) and contributions were "solicited" for the Egyptian army.

http://www.projetaladin.org/holocau...-in-history/history-of-the-jews-in-egypt.html

 

Reality is the one god which cares little about morals, but tells us we need them to get along with "Him."
Without morals, we fight one another.
Survival for man requires we work together.

 

True.
But there are oriental looking ancient Jews in China, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China

It seems if we are around others we change to look like them over time.

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That was because the "flood" was actually Modern man who did rise up the mountains.

 

The belief in a God is not a precursor to human cruelty...humans are cruel regardless of being religious or not. It's a fallacy to assume religion brings out the worst in our species...what brings out the worst in us is simply existing.

 

1) None of the Jews during the holocaust were moved via ships. They were all European Jews.

2) The Jews during the holocaust knew where they were.

3) The language was known by those same Jews. They knew who the Germans were.

4) None of the European Jews were enslaved. They were rounded up and killed without mercy


So, my question to you, Cupid, is how did you derive the holocaust from these conflicting facts?

 

Sorry, I edited down a large portion of my original post. I thought it was too wordy. I appreciate the "like."

The basic argument I presented was that you cannot simultaneosly blame and deny God. If God does not exist, suffering is rooted elsewhere. The believer may ask why does God allow suffering, and the answer to that is simply the root of most suffering is caused by humans against other humans. We're given a free will, God will not intervene...non-intervention is not evidence of non-existence, and no claim is made God is an interventionist..the claim is made we're all given a free will to accept or reject God.

 

The people who claim the whites are the true Hebrews cannot prove it. The evidence out there overwhelmingly suggests that 90% of the Jews who say they are Jews are actually Khazar Jews whose ancestors come from the Khazaria Kingdom in Russia. These are facts.

Also, these same Jews follow the Torah in which these curses are listed. Why haven't these same Jews suffered under the same curses listed under their own Torah? Why would they carry a religious book that says, "Here is who you are and this is how others can identify you" and not match even a quarter of what is listed?

 

First, regarding the "Khazar Jews" theory: http://forward.com/news/200825/why-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-descended-from-khazars/

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry#Criticism

Also, why haven't Tyre and Egypt suffered the curses ascribed to them by the Bible? With Egypt, you have said that they will suffer those curses (such as the Niles drying up), but they just haven't yet. Even if I presupposed that the Bible contained accurate prophecies, which I don't, I could answer the same way -- The Jews will suffer in the way that you describe, they just haven't yet.

You are referring to another square peg/round hole attempt to mold Biblical "prophecy" to fit with modern times. Sorry, but I don't buy it. However, if you can show me one commentator who existed before the Transatlantic slave trade and who appealed to these verses in order to specifically predict how it would apply to the African slave trade, then I'll listen.

After-the-fact interpretations are bunk.

 

LOL. Did you read your own source? The supposed "Hebrew University Historian" essentially just says, "Nuh uh!" and provides zero evidence. There's no evidence that the Khazar "theory" is false, or even an explanation of what could've happened instead.

But, whatever. Lets suppose that is true for the sake of the argument. Why haven't these same Jews suffered under the same curses listed under their own Torah? Why would they carry a religious book that says, "Here is who you are and this is how others can identify you" and not match even a quarter of what is listed? Why?

As for Tyre and Egypt.... I've answered these questions already. I won't answer them again because I feel you're wasting my time with them.

 

In other words, you didn't read the second source. The theory you are proposing was popularized by a bunch of antisemitic conspiracy theorists. I know you are not one of those yourself, but it is a conspiracy theory without any basis in fact.

Even if it were true that Ashkenazi Jews were secretly Khazari and not real Hebrews . . . how do you explain Sephardic Jews . . . what about Mizrahi Jews?

For the same reason that Tyre isn't a bare rock and the Nile hasn't dried up. I've already answered this.

If it is so clear, then there should be people who specifically predicted that the "prophecy" would turn out exactly the way you describe. There aren't. And 99% of the "prophecy" you are talking about could apply to any group that was enslaved.

Part of your answer for Egypt is that these things haven't happened yet, but they will. The same excuse suffices for your question. That was the point.

 

I do not believe in your version of god, yet I have not been in a fight since highschool, as I am now in my mid-40's, how is it possible that I know fighting is wrong (unless it's in self defense) if I don't believe your book?

 

They don't, actually, but I suspect you don't apply any standard of evidence to Christian claims.

 

Sure I do. Proof = evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true. Applicable to religious claims as well as secular claims. What is acceptable as proof is dependent upon the individual. What the individual will accept is dependent upon the individuals experiences (which includes his/her educational background as well as all other experiences had during his/her lifetime).

 

So... What other group of people were enslaved and transported on ships, en masse, that were then brought to a land they knew nothing about and knew nothing about the language? Why can't you answer this question?

 

You will be one of the first people to die from a heart attack out of the shock of discovering that God does exist.

 

The Angles, off of the top of my head. Also, you seem to forget what you pointed out earlier: that Africa encompasses many nations and peoples. Many different groups of Africans were enslaved in this way, not just one, and many didn't even speak the same languages as the other Africans being enslaved. Did you forget that part? So, where all of them Hebrews?

And why didn't anyone start suggesting that this "prophecy" was about the African slave trade until recently, and why did no one predict, based on this "prophecy" that these things would befall Africans before it happened? Why can't you answer those questions?

 

As I previously stated, I am in my mid-40s, and my cardiologist told me I have the heart of a 20-year-old, and that's despite a family history of heart issues. So no heart attacks in my immediate future.

FWIW, I do believe in a "higher power", just that the description in religious tomes has nothing to do with the reality.

 

And to change this condition, religion was destroyed by Jesus when all paganism disappeared from the Western world
Paganism was replaced by only one monotheism, tied into a Bible as the source of what that religion says about God.

So this improvement (of gathering all the many religions of the myths into one religion), makes the next step possible.

 

1) Jews came on ships to America and were sent back before the camps were started.
A massive number of Jews had tried to escape Germany at the last moment, but they could not find entrance anywhere.

"In July 1938, representatives from thirty-two countries attended the Evian Conference on Jewish refugees, but, with the exception of the Dominican Republic, no country was willing to take in more Jews. In May of 1939, the British government issued the White Paper which imposed strict restrictions on the entry of Jewish immigrants into Palestine (5). The United States, which has the world’s largest Jewish community, also closed its door to Jewish refugees (6)."

 

The statements you made are no exactly right.
My own deduction about the holocaust comes from the Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: (http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id152.html).

Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the two candlesticks; the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), shall have finished their testimony (against their own messiah ben Joseph, and changed their written texts in he Talmud so as to remove the name of Jesus and their direct protests against him), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess, one to be destroyed by fire) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations (of the 1260 years of the Jewish dispersion among them, the Diaspora), shall not see their dead bodies to be put in graves (but in Concentration Camps) three days (of years) and an half, (i.e.; 1942-1945), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities)

Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another, (like the skin of Jews for lampshades, etc); because these two prophets, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah, the two candlesticks: [Rev 11:4]), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years, 1942-1945), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah: [Rev 11:4]), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32).

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (where all Nations can see). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (of history); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great "earthquake," (i.e.; Israeli Statehood!!), and the tenth part of the city, (the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the "earthquake" (of their in-gathering) were slain of (muslim) men, seven thousand: and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy had been fulfilled).