Republicans and Democrats

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The leadership of your Party says that's what they want to do, equal and fair treatment of all people, while working overtime to divide us, not unite us. It was Biden that said "Republicans want to put you back in chains" to a Black group. He also said "If your not voting Democrat, your not Black." What your leadership does is play up to all the minorities, to get their vote. Everything they do is to get votes. How is it fair to pay off school loans for this group and not the loans of people before or after? They are after the vote of 32 million now with school loans. That's a lot of voters. How is it fair to allow men to participate in women's sports? I don't care what they take, they have had a lifetime building a man's body and come in and dominate women's sports, knocking women athletes out of winning and the rewards they get by that. How is it fair to allow children to get a sex change without the parent's permission? How is this fair? "Nebraska Democrats Planted Voter Registration Forms in Gift Baskets for Refugees" https://thepoliticalinsider.com/voter-fraud-dems-planted-registration-forms-gift-baskets-refugees/. How is it fair to get social media to prevent posts from republican posters, that go against Democratic policy? They have been sued by 2-3 states for that. What, free speech for thee, but not me? I could list a page full of things the Democrats do just to get votes. Like making statehood for the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, so they can control the Senate. Puerto Rico has turned down statehood two or three time already over the years. How about flying the gay flag over all our Embassies?They play up to groups every chance they get to get votes.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hard to prove when you have the FBI working for the Democrats. Would Trump been charged if he destroyed 32,000 E-mails he would have been ordered to turn over to the FBI and kept a private server in his bathroom? Has Biden been charged for having hundreds of documents, many classified in his possession when as V.P he wasn't allowed to have any? He had them scattered all over. In his home, garage, car, office? Was Biden investigated for threatening to hold up money to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukraine gas company that Hunter worked for and was getting $80,000 a month for doing nothing? That was the reason Trump got impeached and Trump had legal reasons for doing it. Did the FBI ask for Biden's phone to see where he was when Hunter Biden threatened that Chinese man to come up with promised money and said his Dad was sitting next to him? Did the FBI investigate how the Biden family got hundreds of thousands of dollars it shows was given to them by foreign governments? What did they do to earn it. Was it declared on their taxes? They have their bank records.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I'm a Republican, long time Democrat and I don't think I'm bad. Some are, but many are good honest people wanting the best for their country. Not their Party.
     
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    It's all a bit muddy because it shifts so violently and so rapidly. I'm going to leave the politicians out of this and speak about the voters because that's really what matters.

    So you have Republican voters that are largely conservative and that's a loaded term too. They tend to be the social conservatives. They opposed same sex marriage, abortion and legalization of marijuana. They prefer lower taxes on the working class and fewer benefits from the government. They tend to be more pro second amendment rights.

    Then you have the Democrats the voters tend to prefer social welfare systems funded by the government. They support a greater centralization of government in the federal sense. Greater social freedoms such as abortion government funded healthcare and food programs funded by the government.

    They tend to be more into the environmental causes

    None of these are hard and fast rules. I agree and disagree with things both parties do. And I think that's most people. That's why they shift so abruptly.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    If you see anybody say this sort of thing about any party write them off
     
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    Trump wasn't charged for taking the papers home - he was charged because he tried to hide them after receiving requests and a subpoena to return them.

    Do you understand the difference?
     
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    I was kidding.

    I thought the 'hah!' would have been the tip off.
     
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    I can vouch for our conversations in the past. If anyone wants to doubt your membership here, they can sod off :)
     
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    Since you are from the UK, Democrats and Republicans are much like your own country: Labour and Conservative/Tory party.

    However, the biggest group in the United States is neither Republican or Democrat, they are independents, who pretty much vote Republican in one office and probably Democrat for another office, most of the time.
     
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    Do you? Because there IS a difference in how the events involving both men played out. They were not equal.

    If you ask me, Trump, Pence, and Biden should have all been charged in some way. But if truth matters to you, there's no way you can sit there and pretend Pence and Biden's situation was anything like Trump's. You can thank Trump's ego for that.
     
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    You and all of us both.
     
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    I'm kind of like John Hamilton. I think Trump is a real dick head and probably wouldn't vote for him in the primaries depending on who the other choice is..

    But if it comes down to him or the oatmeal stain..
    Absolutely Trump. But it would be nice if he could tone down his dumbassery
     
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    LoL.

    It's a conspiracy.

    But if Joe Biden controls everyone, how do you explain the DOJ bringing criminal charges against Hunter?
     
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    I live 15 min away from a university town. The university, students and people in town are pretty liberal. However, where I live is more rural (or, used to be rural, now it's no agriculture but pretty large lots), and the majority of my neighbors are conservative. The guy at the corner of the road had a Trump flag flying since 2016, it only recently came down (after a brief pause after 1/6/21), I don't know why, maybe he changed his tune on Trump. In any case, he and my other neighbors are nice, good and honest people. However, I am sure Fox News is on TV in their house a lot (they are retired). It's worrisome how easily the 24/7 propaganda can pit regular Americans against each other. I am not saying that the more liberal media aren't doing the same thing, but I think not to the extent where they paint the enemy as the people, not just the politicians of the other side.

    In any case, at one point people have to realize that this is tearing the country apart. If it doesn't stop, it will lead to violence. One only has to look at Northern Ireland to see that seemingly similar people who speak the same language, eat the same food, and have the same genetic background were willing to kill each other through terrorism, just because minor political and religious differences. Do we want to go that way? I hope not, but I fear this won't go away until Trump goes away, or, more importantly, until for profit media as the propaganda arms of parties go away.
     
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    I see the Left talk a good game, Lets all get along, treat everyone equal. But in reality, they do all they can to separate us. They try and paint Republicans as racist. I am sure some are, but most want what is fair and good for the country. Biden himself said to a group of Blacks, that Republicans want to put you back in chains and if your not voting Democrat, your not Black. You have many in Hollywood calling for blowing up the White House, cutting off Trump's head. Biden said he'd like to take him out back and punch him out. You have them pissing and smashing his Hollywood star. Maxine Watters going out in public and telling people to get up in the faces and harass every Trump worker they see. I don't know why many on the Left can't see them doing what they blame the Right of doing.
     
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    Even some church goers still want an abortion if they need one.
     
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    It's obvious you don't.
    It wasn't about taking them home, it was about not returning those not allowed to take home.

    1 returned them. The other did not.

    Do you understand the issue? I don't think so.
     
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    The majority of voters vote with their pocket book. But that is the general election when everyone who wants to vote will.

    Primaries rarely represent the general voters. It is only for partisans. There's as many independents as there are partisans.

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    https://today.yougov.com/politics/a...0/which-issues-americans-care-about-most-poll
     
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    and if they want to learn from democrats, this is a SHINING example of labeling millions of people on the basis of one (a very DEMOCRAT thing to do)
     
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    I have never found out who the leader of the Independent party is.
    So, with that. I didn't finish reading the rest of your post. Since I don't know who you'd be talking about as that leader.
     
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    I think the massive divide in media is hugely detrimental to our country. I will admit a bias toward the left, but from time to time I turn on Fox to see what they're saying about Biden or a current situation. The difference between it and, let's say, MSNBC is gargantuan. Both have personalities giving their views which will, of course, bother the 'other side'. But the biggest difference I see is how they cover specific news items. I keep this in mind when we have discussions here. All too often we will be discussing an issue about Trump and the right leaners haven't heard about it or don't know the 'whole story'.

    I can't fault either side for their commentary, but I can certainly call out a 'news station' when they aren't covering 'the news'.
     
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    Dude, you just have to look at the middle east.....talk about almost monolithic and yet they will kill each other in some places at the drop of a hat.... and ruled by religious dictators. The Trump base has been radicalized to view any "outsider/non conformer" as a deadly threat. Radicalize, dehumanize then violence is "justified".
     
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    Your right. Fake news by the FBI and bias news that repeat everything the Democratic Party says

    Well if you say your an independent. But you sound more like a Democrat. If you don't want to read the rest, then you don't have to worry about answering the post. Easy way out
     

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