Ron DeSantis on what being conservative means: 'Our rights come from God, not government'

Then he is lying or can't read and comprehend. Not god is ever mentioned in documents about rights.

He is not capable of leading a state or country if he says such nonsense.

 

Then the only inherent rights would be those that every human or living creature has.
What is that or what are they.
For if they have been taken away, then there's no way, based on your definition, they are inherent or inalienable.
Pretty simple.

 

Only if there's some enforcement mechanism that grants and allows them.

 

Of course, they can't be taken away.
They are for all humans and living creatures.

 

Except for Christian Conservatives, namely, evangelicals would say otherwise. They literally think that our rights come from God and not natural law. Christian evangelicals, which is what DeSantis is trying to persuade here, think natural law is "marxism" and why we have such phrases as "cultural marxism" when it comes to a melting pot, multiculturalism, etc even though that is too embedded in our Constitution and the phrases, E Publius Unam, among other things.

In Christian Nationalism, what you are writing is practically sacrilege, especially among people like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Greg Locke, and others that are encouraging DeSantis to make this sort of ridiculous statements that have failed what historical accuracy. He is literally mixing fact and fiction with his statements. Or in other words, the Evangelical faith makes the claim that there are certain truths that are incontrovertible, while the Enlightenment philosophy in the UK and US has shunned it off into a certain corner and created "secular humanism" or critical thinking of our roles and responsibilities. That started with the aristocracy vs the commoner and we pretty much, at least in the early days, shunned that where "everyone was created equal" no matter who your parents are or where you came from. Not so today where purist thought is moving towards the Christian religion such as "you are not a true Christian if you vote Democrat" or if you believe the right to choose, etc. and that is the foundation of Christian Nationalism.

 

inalienable rights need no protection from anyone.
Per your definition, they can't be taken away. If they are or can be taken away, then it's obvious they can't be inalienable.
Then only the constitution and a man made entity has to grant and enforce them.

 

I’d like to hear if MoRon thinks the same

 

You are not making a lick of sense.

If they can be taken away or denied by others, then by your definition, the are NOT inalienable.
Can you clarify what inalienable is and why we need protection against things that can NEVER be taken away?

 

A reference to god means he made it up and doesn't know what's written in the constitution.
That is not someone who should lead a state or country. The dude doesn't even know the constitution.

 

I doubt that poster has a clue.
This whole thread is full contradiction after contradiction.

 

Your posting is interesting and although I like DeSantis I appreciate your comments. I am not only a true Christian, but not a pretend one either so I really don't know anything about Christian Nationalism but I will do some reading on the subject.

 

Beautifully stated.
Thank you.

 

Horrifying to see some write that our rights are granted by the government or the Constitution. What happened to civics' classes? Do our schools no longer teach that we are born with rights that we entrust our government elected and appointed to constitutionally protect?

"In other words, people’s rights don’t come from government or from documents that bring government into existence. They come from nature and God. They exist independently of government and the Constitution. That is, even if there were no federal government and no Constitution, people would still have their natural, God-given rights."

The Constitution Doesn’t Give Rights to Anyone, including America…

www.fff.org/2010/01/29/constitution-doesnt-give-rights-including-americans/

 

So god gives privileges, not inalienable rights. Got it.

If man can take away rights given by god, is man more or equally as powerful as god?

 

So the rights, which are inalienable and permanent, given to us by god, can be taken away by man?

Either god is weak or man is unfathomably strong. Is it both?

 

What rights did someone caught with drugs take away? What rights did someone with a dui take away? What rights did a tax evader take away,

 

Earlier you said rights in the Constitution were inalienable. Permanent. Couldn’t be taken away.

Then you said it was ok to take these rights away, in order to punish someone, as long as that was done in accordance with law.

Now you say the government be dictating what rights we have and don’t have.

So if you are back to square one you must believe that inmates should not lose their 2A really gets or the right to vote. Or any other rights. After all, those rights are inalienable. Permanent. Can’t be taken away. According to you.

And remember - it is perfectly possible to punish people without taking away their right to vote or keep and bear arms.

 

The Constitution limits the power of government because the power comes FROM the people TO the government. That's the whole purpose of the Constitution.

 

I can hear lefty heads exploding from what DeSantis said. Lefties worship government like a God so this is blasphemous to them. Lefties hate the idea of God because they have to work harder to continue to steal power from the people.

 

Yep….and just like the Bible, Quran, Bhagavad Gita, etc….all written by men…

 

I didn't write the Declaration of Independence. If I had I would not have used the word "inalienable" because it's not supported by the scriptures of the Judeo/Christian God. According to the interpretation by some of Romans 13 :1 God has given men the authority to rule over other men in order to secure the rights He has bestowed upon them with man's creation. It's in man's creation (all men are created equal) that rights originated.

Giving someone the power of attorney doesn't negate the power to take it back. We appoint other men (like accountants) to handle our financial affairs. The authority given is not absolute. Neither are the rights that God has given us.

Tell me. When and where did man give other men the right to live? And under what conditions is that right taken away? The typical reason is whenever a man has criminally taken the life of another. That is based on the premise that all men have a right to life. You forfeit your own right to live when you've taken away another's. The same applies to property (food, clothing, and housing). Every man has a right to own property. No one has the right to take it without due cause. That would be theft, which society will not, and cannot tolerate. Where does the right to own property originate? If you recognize you have the right to own property (food, clothing and housing) then it's axiomatic that all men have that right. Otherwise you would be special among other men and, unfortunately, nothing makes you special among other men.

 

Our rights come from the government we created to enforce them. No government, no rights. Rights don't exist as natural things. And you can believe they come from God all you want, but God has never enforced them, ever. Unenforced rights are the same as no rights.

 

There's NO god in the constitution or any documents.
What school ever taught you that?

 

There you go, Men have the authority to rule over other men.
All men are created equal, but not treated equal. Our country was founded with owning other men/women/and children as law. So created equal does not equate to being treated equal by other men.
Seems like that is a violation of God of the Bible's intent. And rights were taken away from certain skin color people at the writing of the founders documents.

But all that is irrelevant to the topic, as the bible is not the basis for the constitution. Afterall, we as a people of the Country of the USA are not bound to any specific religion. Per the founders and the documents they wrote.

 

Exactly!
The Qur'an says: "Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do righteous deeds that He will assuredly make them to succeed (the present) rulers and grant them vicegerency in the land just as He made those before them to succeed (others)" (ixiv. 55).