Ron DeSantis on what being conservative means: 'Our rights come from God, not government'

DeSantis is a political whore. Period.

 

Good point. Assuming the OP, @XXJefferson#51, is Christian, perhaps he could tell us which gospel, or Old Testament chapter, elucidates our rights as human beings?

 

We call that trial and conviction in the secular world. But in those days, it was word of mouth and how frenzy the populace would be, especially if adultery was involved. One does not even have to be "caught" to be killed. Just a mere accusation was enough in those days.

 

French Revolution too...

 

So, as usual, you attack someone's opinion with ZERO explanation.

Sorry, but debates don't work that way. If you believe someone is wrong, the very least you should do is include a statement as to why you think he or she is wrong.

If all you can do is post one-line insults, why are you here? Certainly not to exchange ideas and views, and possible learn something. I do, every day I'm on this forum. It's much more rewarding than lashing out.

 

Yea, but God did set a law about not bearing false witness against your neighbor. There were consequences for doing so.

 

Ramen!

 

The whole point of the French Revolution was more secular than anything else. The French got the Napoleonic Codes, which pretty much exaggerated the influence the church had on government. But it too, the early stages were very dangerous where people who took coins from the King were executed so as to not have too much influence. But the Napoleonic Code was not all good, it had some very disparaging issues as the link below describes.

https://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-15-2-a-the-code-napoleon

 

Versus what a nutter telling us what our rights are? The great news our human rights include you getting to decide. If you really want government control over your life, move to NK or China, you have that right.

 

How are you this mean?

Please read the 1st Amendment. There's good reason for starting it with "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ..."

Keep your beliefs if they comfort you, but please stop lashing out at those who don't share your beliefs.

 

Absolutely incorrect. Liberals get it from our Constitution and Bill of Rights. God didn't write any of that.

 

If you want a religious history, you need to look at the 600-plus laws in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. But then again the Apostle Paul writes that we are not of the law in Galatians 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_c... tradition, the,recorded in Talmud Makkot 23b.

 

All "codes" that are enacted unilaterally have that problem. Even when token concessions are made to appease masses, such codes have the main purpose to protect the interests the the enacting authority.

 

So says the American Taliban.

 

We are not justified by the works of the laws but that doesn't give us a license to sin. Sin continues to have consequences.

 

Or move to countries with a higher “freedom index” than America like the UK Australia or NZ

 

Wow, the right sure gets worked up when anyone challenges their chosen belief system.

Inalienable does not mean "god-given," in spite of what you've been led to believe.

in·al·ien·a·ble adjective

unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.
"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"

That includes freedom from religion, a right we all have, and one that you violate with your vitriolic, intolerant views.

 

Why is the Constitution a nutter?

 

From a practical standpoint, being owned by “ God” is another way of saying you are not owned by any human creature. The dictatorships that ruled the world in those days relied on define power as their authority. As the population rejected divine power, yet respected the simple power of the sword, dictators lost their subjects belief in their leaders divine power over them. Over time the relationship between rulers and the ruled became more merciful in Christian culture.
We all benefit whether we are religious or not. You inherited your rights in the constitution from scholars and lawmakers that did.
As the FF’s would say: “I invented a free country and all I got was this lousy tee shirt!”

 

So they aren’t really inalienable….there seem to be conditions on them…

 

Lol definitely not. I’m not convinced that post had one.

 

The Napoleonic Codes came after the French Revolution, in 1804 or 1805 or so. The French Revolution was from 1789 to 1799. But in the early days, it was very dangerous with anger and revenge on everyone's mind. THat was not the code. The code took that away for the most part and it is still used in France Today as well as Louisiana.

 

So god is who puts people in prison? Lol
Unless it’s a Republican, then it was the deep state lmao

 

I think it’s in the section about gay wedding cakes and guns.

 

1. Those inherent rights were defined in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. As I explained in an above post God is used in the context of natural law, not a specific religious test.

2. Learning about something provides a starting point for any well reasoned discussion. Certainly I cannot educate you on concepts like natural law, the European enlightment, the American enlightment, the writing of people like John Locke, in the context of this forum. This is the sort of thing that should be taught in secondary school.

3. If you want to talk about Marxism, start a thread about it and I will join in. Not going to get derailed by a strawman about Marxism here. This thead is about America, our Constitution, and our concept of rights coming from God (natural law). WTF does that have to do with Marxism.