Ron Paul Wants to Take Air Conditioners Away from Our Boys in Afghanistan

I confess.. I no longer listen to him.. I find him likable enough but I don't think he'd make a good president..

I find him to be extremely unrealistic.. as if he can push every circumstance thru his Libertarian ideology.

 

Why comment on someone that you don't listen to anymore? It makes you sound ignorant when you do.

Honestly, I am not sure you ever listened to him since he has been very adamant about ending the occupation since the occupation started. (I had to read your statement a couple of times to make sure I read it right. I thought I was seeing things).

 

So why involve oneself in a thread that is NOT about AC at all?

 

Evidently its about Paul's silly remark concerning taking air conditioning away from US troops in Afghanistan.

I am sick of silly politicians and that includes the inane remarks of Palin and Bachman.

EXPECT MORE.

 

This is an excellent thread, if nothing more, than for those who are sick of the BS to see the neocons and their "social conservatives" are still behind the present GOP candidates. We all know what we will get with another term of Obama, but if we elect anyone outside of Paul, expect four more years of Bush instead. Independents, and wide awake conservatives and liberals need to seriously come together to pick a name we all write in nation wide. Ron Paul. Dennis Kucinich. Anyone but who the establishment says we are allowed to pick from.

 

Its not about Palin and Bachman.
One would actually have to listen to Paul to know that what he said was not about AC, and hear what he is saying, before involving oneself in badmouthing the man.
How can you call HIS remarks silly, when they were not about AC?
How?
Are we judging a candidate now on the opinion of some partisan poster?
And at the same time, we call others uniformed?

 

Believe me, I WILL write in, unless Dr. Paul will change ticket, and run I if the GOP doodleheads are too stupid recognize what's good for this country.

 

Word of mouth, emails, blogs, forums, anything we can think of, we need to spread this grassroots style. You will find most people know the truth about how rigged our system is, they are just in the closet. If you talk to them alone, they will unload. It is like the old joke from where I'm from: if you are going to take a Mormon fishing with you, better take 2, or the 1 will smoke all your cigarettes and drink all your beer. The nice thing about voting is it is anonymous, and if we get the word out, a plan so to speak, many will write in the name even while they all sit next to each other and claim they didn't.

 

Thats pretty much the sum of it. Ron Paul has been saying the invasion was wrong the second after it happened and has been saying the occupations are wrong ever since.. nobody listens... al we hear is Iraqi freedom and fighting terrorists.

War is the ultimate self imposed hardship... worrying about A/C during an illegal war that has ended up in illegal occupation.. well thats like mowing your lawn while your house is on fire.

 

why bother giving it a try cause you know Dems and Repubs are doing just fine ..... sarcasm off

 

Apparently, it costs $20 billion (with a 'b') to air-condition military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://m.gizmodo.com/5813257/air-conditioning-our-military-costs-more-than-nasas-entire-budget

That is ridiculous.

I agree with Ron Paul, that is more then the entire NASA budget. That's more then the nominal GDP of ALL of Afghanistan.

Afghani's can live in that heat - Americans can too.

What did U.S. soldiers do in Vietnam? Most of them had no A/C.

And maybe it would make the military just that much more anxious to tell Obama to get out of those places and go home...where they belong.

Ron Paul (IMO) just wants the troops home...safe. And if making them sweat a little more to get them to want to leave Afghanistan/Iraq helps towards that goal...so be it.

 

I support Ron Paul 100%. Why? Let Afghans cool themselves. I care about America not special oil interests. we got oil and alternate energy Obsama promissed us right here in America.

PS: most troops support Ron Paul because they want to be back home and have jobs instead of running AC in AfPakistan. and for your information Obama won because he promised to bring them home instead of McCain.

 

Ask any grunt in the Army out in the hills, they don't have AC or heaters. Someone took the AC away.

 

so many dimwits on this forum

 

People who claim that such a petty excuse as "oil interests" show really how ignorant, and dimwitted they are.

Seriously.

Afghanistan cannot be allowed to return to a pre-9/11 state, and we are not leaving until we can be sure that they won't return to a pre-9/11 State. Why can we not leave Afghanistan into a pre 9/11 State? Let's ask Obama.

"Mr. President, why are we still in Afghanistan?"

Now unless someone can prove Mr. Obama wrong, I don't see any reason to leave Afghanistan anytime soon.

As far as Iraq goes, someone has to stay to:

A)Protect the Kurds

B)Continue to hold the iron curtain we have installed around Iran

C)Ensure some minor stability for the Iraqi Government to continue to grow in power and legitimacy.

Now unless someone can prove that wrong. I see no reason not to leave some minimal, yet still militarily viable force structure in Iraq.

That is why Obama hasn't pulled out, and why Ron Paul is nuts. To just up and leave, cut and run, or whatever, would leave the world a more dangerous place than it was pre-9/11.

We are never ever again going to back to pre 9/11 complacency ever again, so people should just get used to it.

 

The only dimwits are those who think that leaving the world a more dangerous and unstable place than it was pre 9/11 is perfectly acceptable. We're never going back to the days of Pre 9/11 "freedom" so I'd suggest you either get used to it or prepare to emigrate to Mexico where you can lead a better life. Heightened security and forward deployed troops aren't going away anytime soon.

 

Must be great working for the TSA?

America doesn't have to be an Empire with Imperial ideas in order to secure itself from enemies. If you took that logic in place anyone who gave you a hint of dislike should be pummeled to the ground until they submit... I mean you're only securing your safety.

 

that is what I thought, just random unsubstantiated BS.

 

Did you ever consider that the wars we are fighting is just what the enemy wants? We are spending billions over there while our home country falls apart. They do not want democracy. They want an Islamic government.

They would rather have their own bad government than a "good" government imposed by us.

Our money would be better spent protecting our citizens at home.

Rather than protecting people that do not like us with Americas military.


Tell me what we are fighting for.

 

And hit our boys over the head with them

 

He also eats babies, puppies and kittens.

Only the rest of the GOP field, or Obama, is a vote that isn't looney.

 

Let's see, silver dimes by the roll (50 dimes) are selling at APMEX for $179.72 this morning so the equivalent value for a dime would be $3.59/gal and I would say that is a good goal. If we removed all taxes from gasoline a gallon would actually cost less. If we eliminated our dependence on foreign oil and limited the use of US produced oil to consumption in the United States we might see a drop in gas prices to $3.39/gal. Is anyone really opposed to this?

http://www.apmex.com/Product/5126/5_Mercury_Dimes___90_Silver_50_Coin_Roll_Avg_Circ.aspx

The USSR built a fence between E Berlin and W Berlin and what was it for? Of course his comment was sarcastic but fences work both ways. They keep things out and they keep things in.

Of course it can also be noted that the border fence between the United States and Mexico is a complete waste of money which is what Ron Paul is pointing out. While costing hundreds of millions of dollars does not prevent illegal entry into the United States and we actually achieved a zero increase in the number of undocumented aliens in the United States without it. Why are we wasting money on a fence that doesn't work when we don't even need it?

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/07/25/illegal-immigration-from-mexico-declines-to-net-zero/

http://www.spislandbreeze.com/articles/fence-12350-border-doesn.html

Yes, and he would bring home the troops with the air conditioners. We're not in Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda or to find Osama bin Ladin so what are we there for? To support the corrupt government of Karzai that we installed? I support bringing home the troops and the air conditioners from Afghanstan as do 59% of the American People.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/11/165369/afghanistan-get-out-59-percent/

So let's summarize: Gasoline prices at $3.59/gal; stop wasting money on a border fence that doesn't work and isn't needed; and remove US troops (and air conditioners) from Afghanistan that 59% of the American people support.

Why wouldn't Americans support a candidate with these proposals?

 

Just to clarify, Ron Paul's plan isn't to remove all air conditioners from the middle east to bring the troops home. I don't know where the h*ll people are getting this. He was merely stating what a financial burden the A/C units are in the middle east. They alone cost $20 billion a year! He then made a sarcastic joke saying that if we were to remove the A/C then we would save money and the troops would come home because of the heat. He never once said that was his actual plan.

 

Awesome, I see you watched the debate in 10 second sound bytes. He said the airconditioning cost X amount of dollars. Take them out and the troops will come home, spend the money elsewhere. He obviously didn't say "take away their air conditioners and leave them there to fry!"

Glad to see you're paying attention.

 

Ron Paul has long supported the withdrawal of the US military from not just the Middle East by from around the world. If I were to paraphase Ron Paul's position I believe that it would be safe to say that Ron Paul wants the troops to remove the air conditioners and to personally return those A/C units to the United States.

Of note I came across one of the best quotations I've seen in a long time that sums up why the US military shouldn't be in the Middle East:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/09/12/ron-pauls-foreign-policy-would-make-america-more-safe/