Russia caught lying again. Finally admits truth about MH17

Ivan.....Putin ANNEXED part of another Nation that Russia and Putin made a DEAL IN WRITTING never to harrass or invade that Nation and others in return for over $300 Billion in U.S. Military Weapons Destruction and Biological, Nuclear and Chemical Storage and Lab Clean Up!!!

WE ARE STILL IN RUSSIA RIGHT NOW!!!!

Even though Putin has PI$$ED US OFF....we know that only the U.S. Military Biological Weapons and Labs Clean Up Teams are capable of handling the JOB so that half or more of the Russian People don't end up DEAD because the Soviet's were STUPID ENOUGH to actually make Bio-Weapons with Weaponised Small Pox!!!

Do you have ANY IDEA what would happen if a some kid grabbed a single Glass Ball filled with Weaponized Small Pox under Presssure and BROKE IT????

MILLIONS WOULD DIE IN RUSSIA!!!!

Those Glass Balls are part of what is known as a CHAIN OF PEARLS WARHEAD CONFIGURATION and usually reserved for VX Gas....NOT BIOWEAPONS....as the Chain of Pearls Warhead Configuration with a Biological Agent in them is TOO FREAKING DANGEROUS AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Ukraine purchased them with
? ? Money Granted / Loaned by the Federals
earmarked for such purchases along with Graystone contractor and lots of processed carb foods too. Support corn farmers.

So in the end, they purchased them with our money!
Our money going to some private profiteers pocket.
Ain't that the way of it AboveAlpha?

Moi


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You could buy one too...as long as you had the proper licensing.

AboveAlpha

 

How does that relate in the slightest to

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411650&page=8&p=1065075343#post1065075343

Whose $.

Would you ask your Federal Friends if they would grant me money
- ear marked - for the purchase of . . . . (no not carbs)

oh and reply to the link above. Not just upload with a quote and non . . . .

Moi

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It was the US that hijacked Ukraine and installed a pack of usurper killers.
The People of Crimea chose to go with Russia rather than suffer the depradations of the US puppet regime in Kiev.
The US caused the whole situation.
All our "good deeds" don't negate our bad faith actions and lies.
Here are 3 videos where US officials essentially blame Russia and NovoRussia as well as other false accusations.
[video=youtube;RNV0BkDsYzM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNV0BkDsYzM[/video]
[video=youtube;i35zKG1bdTM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i35zKG1bdTM[/video]
[video=youtube;oQRvINebeok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok[/video]
Since then, the US has not produced any evidence to prove any thing about the alleged plane crash.
The fact that the US continues to support a terrorist regime against NovoRussia, and Kiev's almost constant artillery attacks on NovoRussia cities, towns and villages, and contiues to blame Russia for protecting Crimea from the killers in Kiev shows that the US is acting in bad faith and bad intent towards not only Ukraine, NovoRussia and Russia, but against most the world.

P.S. And about that "deal" over Ukraine: It was the US that broke the deal with it's hijacking of Kiev and all the subsequent disastrous actions of the US puppet regime in Kiev. Russia has not invaded Ukraine, but the US has invaded and devastated Ukraine.

Shall we review Victoria Nuland's deeds and words?
Shall we review US support for terrorists in Chechnia, Yugoslavia, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya?

 

Well let me see...how good of a shot are you?

AboveAlpha

 

These videos are saying THE EXACT SAME THING I AM SAYING!!!

The SPETSNAZ SUPPLIED SEPERATISTS SHOT DOWN THAT BOEING 777!!!

Nothing is said that it was PURPOSELY SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIA!!!

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!

Who the HELL do you think you are trying to convince as the U.S. Agencies such as the NSA, U.S. Space Command, CIA.....U.S. Satellites with IR-Light Detection......HELL....WE HAVE U.S. SPY SATELLITES IN GEOSYNCHRONOUS ORBIT....which means these U.S. Recon Satellites are in a High Earth Orbit that keeps them ALWAYS POSITIONED OVER THIS AREA.....where we detected and recorded the SAM LAUNCH and we know EVERYTHING there is to know about this downing by Ill Trained Russian Seperatist.

Denying it happened just makes you and Russia look silly because every Intel Agency on Earth KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED!!

AboveAlpha

 

Maybe you can enlighten us and answer three very simple questions. Please AA, spare us idiotic and juvenile answers. Try to give a coherent and mature answer. Forget about spamming. It's childish.

Rational and intelligent people will still ask three very simple questions:

1. Why does Ukraine hide recordings of conversations between Ukrainian Air traffic control and the crew of MH17 from the worldwide public?
Ukraine's SBU security service confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner. What happens to the recordings next has been completely unknown to this day.

2. Why does the USA hide their satellite images from the worldwide public?
High-resolution images -- those from US spy satellites, for example -- could play a decisive role in the investigation.

3. Why do the Dutch investigators keep withholding the evidence from Flight MH 17 black boxes?
What are legal grounds for withholding evidence from the worldwide public?

 

Answers.....

#1. Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers are using a CODE as they do not have nearly anywhere near the resources of Russia or the U.S. thus the Ukraine's CIVILIAN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS are doubling as INTEL GATHERERS whether such Intel is given from over flying Commericial Jetlines such as example....a VIRGIN ATLANTIC BOEING 787 DREAMLINER is flying at 42,000 feet at 550 Mph over the Ukraine on it's way to China or India.

The 787 Dreamliner Crew does not need to land or refuel because it is the longerst distance flying Passenger Aircraft in the World.....but even though the 787 is so advanced that it can fly itself without the aid of pilots....it is still a requirement for HUMAN PILOTS to check their course announce their arrival over a Nation and check in with Air Traffic Controllers.

All of a sudden some RUSSIAN TRAINED SEPERATIST MORONS turn on their SAM RADAR to FULL POWER and PAINT....another word for HIGH POWERED RADAR DETECTION.....the 787.

The 787 Computers and Crew are aware of this and call into Air Traffic Controllers saying...."WHAT THE HELL!!??"

The Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers ask them what the problem is....the 787 Pilots tell them....the Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers ask the 787 Pilots what is the vector locations of such PAINTING.....the 787 Crew tells them....and thus a NON-MILITARY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER IS USED TO GATHER INTEL. UPON POSSIBLE POSITIONS OF SEPERATIST SAM SITES...and many other things.

#2. This is something I am well aware of and can tell you STRAIGHT OUT why only the NSA RECORDINGS were released and the NSA FOUGHT LIKE HELL AS THEY DID NOT TO EVEN WANT TO DO THAT!!!!

Reason is that U.S. Satellite Detection is unbelievably advanced. So advanced I cannot discuss 99.99% of what I know.

If Russia or China actually KNEW how advanced not only would they become PARANOID as any Nation that finds out they are 50 to 100 years behind the game would react scared and become paranoid and as I have stated many times on this forum.....there are U.S. Recon and Weapon Systems some deployed many not but that could be deployed very quickly.....that if other Nations knew existed.....would place these nations in such a state of suspicion and paranoia they would basically FREAK OUT!!

Some members here have actually posted that no evidence exists that Russian Supplied Seperatists shot down that 777.

We KNOW....DEFINITIVELY...that they shot it down but they didn't shoot it down on purpose as they F@#%ED UP!!!!

They were not nearly properly trained enough to be anywhere NEAR that Russian Made SAM LAUNCHER NEVERMIND OPERATING IT!!!

Obama had to FORCE the NSA to release the NSA recorded communications that went from the Seperatists who shot the 777 down to Spetsnaz Leaders in the Ukraine to Spetsnaz Brass to Russian Military Brass and KGB and GRU and all the way up to PUTINS CLOSE AID who told Putin.

We even know all the NAMES OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED!!

Now....the United States understands it was a MISTAKE DUE TO GROSS NEGLIGENCE....but the negligence is not only on the part of the IMPROPERLY TRAINED SEPERATIST....but as well upon the members of Spetsnaz who were STUPID ENOUGH TO ALLOW THESE MORONS TO HAVE CONTROL OF SUCH A SAM LAUNCHER....and some of the responsibility for all those deaths has to go to Spetsnaz Leadership and the Russian KGB, GRU and Russian Top Brass and Putin himself because THE UNITED STATES MILITARY WOULD NEVER ALLOW A BUNCH OF POORLY TRAINED MORONS TO BE IN CONTROL OF AN ADVANCED SURFACE TO AIR MISSILE SYSTEM!!!

#3 Most likely has to do with #1 as this would show that the Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers were using Commercial Passenger Jet Pilot Observations to help gather Intel on Russian Seperatists and Spetsnaz.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh god there's a new one. As if this forum was sucked down as low as it could go already.

 

What the flying hell does that have to do with anything today? Seriously?? That's the best you have?

 

Stupid post. Read the source, but not the Western media gossip. Almaz-Antei investigated opportunity to demonstrate how the system "Buk". Esle assume that a plane hit by a rocket from the "Buk" - Almaz-Antei has calculated the location of the complex "Buk". But in any case - the location of "Buk" is on controlled Kiev the territory .
Almaz-Antei, said that all the calculations are only valid if the plane shot down, "Buk". Almaz-Antey no claimed that the plane shot down complex "Buk".

 

1. Umm. No we aren't. If we are please provide even the slightest amount of actual evidence.

2. There is no such thing as Novorussia.

3. Russia created and is supplying weapons and troops to a gang of terrorists who are already responsible for the mass murder of 298 passengers. So tell us again how even if the US were supplying Kiev with weapons that it would be a bad thing.

 

I hate you so much.

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Yeah... Cept for the fact that the area that Almaz-Antei claims the shot came from was under Russian terrorist control. Not Kiev. Nice try though.

 

Anyone here can Google the actual NSA recorded communications between the Seperatists MORONS who shot the 777 down and the Spetsnaz Local Leadership and then from them to their Moscow Brass...etc...etc...etc.

The recordings are spoken in Russian and they are translated.

The Seperatists who shot down the 777 and the local Spetsnaz TEACHERS WERE FREAKING OUT as they knew they F@#%ED UP BAD!!!

The NSA released all the recorded conversations related to this all the way up the ladder.

The Russian's were FREAKING OUT and were in a state of Panic as to what to do.

Then they just made things worse when they went to the crash site and started picking up bodies and loading them on trucks as they attempted to CLEAN THE CRASH SITE.

Problem is.....we have a number of U.S. Satellites passing over this area and one in Geosynchronous Orbit which means this U.S. Satellite IS ALWAYS DIRECTLY ABOVE THIS AREA 24/7 365 days a year!!!

We watched it all go down.....detected the SAM launch by a number of means...the NSA recorded all the Communications....we watched in REAL TIME SATELLITE FEED as both Seperatists and Spetsnaz tried to clean up the crash site....watched them load bodies into trucks.

The thing is this blunder was bad enough and if they had just came out and said.....It was a Horrible Mistake....they would have been forgiven.

But to act like a 5 year old child with their hand in the cookie jar and then break the jar trying to get the cookie while the whole incident is being Digitally Recorded on a NANNY CAM....and in this case the NANNY is the United States......well they just went too far and made FOOLS OF THEMSELVES!!

AboveAlpha

 

of course - the shot did by Ukrainian army (it is possible by order of from Washington)
[video=youtube_share;uvxbrdm0wz0]http://youtu.be/uvxbrdm0wz0[/video]

 

Hm. I dunno AA... that sounds like a typical excuse that some intel agency might come up with. "Hey, the morons painted the radar"....

But read your words carefully. "Russian-trained".... well, if they were trained, they don't do stupid stuff like that, do they?

No, if they were painting civilian aircraft and reporting back the details, there was no element of stupidity about it.

It seems to me, if they were painting civilian aircraft and they were trained, they must have had a reason to do so.

And.... what do you suppose that reason might be?

 

Their Radars were on and detected the 777 but the Ill Trained Seperatists being too inexperienced improperly read the Radar Return and then TURNED THEIR RADARS ON FULL.....then shot the 777 out of the sky.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, painting. You're saying it was due to moronic stupidity. I'm suggesting that maybe there was a reason behind it. You yourself said it was part of a pattern (ie they were reporting the information back), so how could it have been a one-time moron?

How about this: our intelligence agencies were flying planes disguised as civilian aircraft. (They do that a lot, they even do it here in the US). The separatists, being aware of this, decided to become "inquisitive" about these flights (hence the pattern of reporting), and once they figured out they were for real, they decided to become a little more aggressive and challenge a few of 'em (hence the painting).

How exactly a missile fits into this scenario (or yours, actually) is an open question. In other words, after the painting, then what? It's not "that" automatic, someone has to say go.

 

The Seperatists were operating the SAM Launcher.

They were too inexperienced to determine what was a Ukrainian Fighter/Attack aircraft and what was a 777.

AboveAlpha

 

Do not read the gossip. At the time of the attack on Boeing, the place of possible location "Buk" was controlled by the Ukrainian military. Do not write nonsense. Read the original sources.

 

Passed one year. During the year, neither Ukraine nor the United States have not been able to find any conclusive evidence of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. This suggests either a high professionalism of Russian troops (what I, as a Russian, would very much like to believe, but, alas, I do not believe), or that the Russian troops in Ukraine is missing. Choose what you like

Notes:

1. Russian troops in Ukraine during this time there were two. A year ago, at the beginning of the conflict in the Donbass, the Russian border guards mistakenly drove into the territory of Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213

The marked boundaries between the two countries do not have themselves repeatedly Ukrainian troops came to the territory of Russia. This is normal - even the army of Ukraine several times by militia retreated Donbas to Russia (yes, the Ukrainian army has escaped several times in the territory of Russia from the "pro-Russian separatists"!).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-hundreds-ukraine-troops-defect-russia-military-drills-border/

The second case was only recently, when the frontline had been detained two Russian intelligence officer. Not surprisingly, Russia wants to know what is happening on its borders. But these two cases can not serve as an example the invasion of the Russian army in the Ukraine.

2. Russian volunteers, but not the Russian army, fighting on the side of the DPR. As well as representatives of many other countries, including European ones.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...utsche-fuer-Putin-in-der-Ukraine-sterben.html

http://www.zie.nl/video/overige/Ukr...n-Defender-of-the-Fatherland-Day/8bwzyk5fo24p

http://bignews2day.com/en/news/na-donbasse-pogibli-dva-cheha-voevavshie-na-storone-opolchentsev



And so on. Of course, Russian volunteers more than foreigners. But the militia of Donbass is mainly composed of local residents. It is very difficult to stay on the sidelines when a Ukrainian soldiers kill civilians a year.

That "pro-Russian separatists":







(I for ethical reasons not to place here are numerous photos of dead women and children - "terrorists" of Donbass.)

It - Ukrainian antiterrorist forces:







...

Sorry for offtopic. But it's all the links of one chain.

 

There is no evidence about the presence of separatist SAM. Especially considering the fact that for the normal operation of SAM "Buk" requires not only a launcher, and the whole set including Command Post, Surveillance Radar, TELAR and TEL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system#System_composition

But all that was in it's entirety, and worked for the Ukrainian side.

 

Pretty sure that everyone outside of the Russian Propaganda machine already figured this out.

 

1. The report of Almaz-Antei is not blaming anyone. It just tries to prove that the company has nothing to do with the attack.
2. The report doesn't say that MH-17 was shot down by surface-to-air missile. It just tells that IF it was shot down by a BUK missile 9M38M1 which
- was taken out of production before the company was established (weak argument in terms of MH-17, but quite reasonable in terms of law for the sanctions against this very company)
- has been sold to other countries and entities a lot of times (including Ukraine army)
3. What is most interesting is that they proved that the missile couldn't have attacked the liner being launched from the front. The missile once it approaches the target goes up and activates itself from above. (like a hammer hits the nail). The laws of physics don't allow the rocket to turn at its speed (plus the speed of the liner) and make such a maneuver. The rocket needs a wider angle to turn and if it was hit by BUK - it would be launched from the back of the liner and not from the front.

For the moment russian prosecution has found a witness who saw that the SU-25 returned to the base of ukarinian army without air-to-air missiles. The Dutch prosecution released that the plane was shot down and no further details.

PS. The conduct of media which followed the death of MH17 and attacked the guy who is hated from some bloodmongers in the white house is also a passive proof. If it wasn't a provocation of the US then the media controlled by them would not receive a command for an attack. But the media was well prepared for the things happenning and no terror attack is made without the media support. Without it the terror wouldn't work.