Russia demilitarizes not only Ukraine, but also NATO

Awwwwh, so sad. You got a history lesson. Want some more I see.

The '32-'33 famine....caused by droughts (had same in the U.S. during this time)...referred to in 'the ukraine' as "holomodor" was the responsibility of (blamed on) Lazar Kaganovich, a Jewish Ukrainian Bolshevik.

On to addressing another falsehood by you...:

Leon Trotsky, who's real name was Lev Bronstein, was also Jewish, Ukrainian and also a Bolshevik. Leader of the Red Army....shot his own troops if they retreated.

Trotsky was no atheist, he was just a POS like all the other Bolsheviks.

Now back to the present day scum residing in the Kyiv leadership. They are still naming streets after Nazis. Still erecting statues of Nazis. Don't matter to me whether they are jews or not, they are still doing what they're doing. Call'm what you want.

Seems to me you got a little pissed off after you searched google map street names in Kyiv....especially close to Babi Yar har har har.

 

Seems those Azov Nazi's did exist after all .. the backslap pudd pull team was in denial .. the media, sans our friend Tucker and the likes of "Democracy Now" .. committing the grave sin of omission .. .. same thing happening with regard to Palestine right now .. Palestinian plight coverage used to be a least a little balanced .. .

Durandal cries out "Not valid comparison" in desperate hope to avoid hypocrisy land - but to no avail as of course it is 100% valid comparison in countless ways. Just because the team names of the aggressor is different and the fact that you root for one team but not the other .. .. makes not the comparison invalid. What it does is put you on both sides of the same fence ..an apologist for what you hate.

 

There has been no genocide committed by Ukrainians, Bill, but your heroes are committing genocide now.

Your propaganda image from the GRU does nothing but demonstrate that you have no interest in understanding the facts on the ground. You also demonstrate this when you quietly ignore every article, every video, every fact someone posts for you that disproves your claims.

 

It seems you settle on new lows as time passes. Propaganda image you say? You've gone full blown anti-semite have you? To justify the nazis and their burning of citizens alive, for example? The targeted killings for 8 years before you woke up to elensky's theater?

The upper left corner.

What does it say?

"UKRAINE CELEBRATES NAZI COLLABORATOR, BANS BOOK CRITICAL OF POGROMS LEADER"
'State agencies have declared January 1 a commemoration day for World War II nationalist Stepan Bandera'

and below follows one of those new statues of the nazi...so what do we have here from The Times of Israel in 2018?
1. Proof ukraine honors a nazi.
2. Proof ukraine made Jan 1 a holiday for a nazi.
3. Proof ukraine bans free speech.
4. Proof ukraine built new statues for a nazi.

Just think if Germany did this ^^^^^

So are you saying The Times of Israel is GRU propaganda? They've done multiple pieces on nazis in ukraine.

 

The author called Bandera a "Nazi collaborator." Russian propagandists will use any and every opinion by an English-language writer, no matter how inaccurate or unhinged, as part of their propaganda aimed at English-speaking audiences, as you've just demonstrated. Notice you don't see these silly propaganda images targeting Putler and Russians. It's all one way because Russia invests in producing and disseminating this kind of propaganda online.

 

The Holodomor is a principle reason Ukrainians today will never surrender to Russia:

https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-genocide-education/resource-guides/holodomor#:~:text=In 1932 and 1933, millions,Soviet government of Joseph Stalin.

In regards to trying to blame Trotsky for the Holodomor to try smear all Jews in fact what makes Bill's comments so odious is that Trotsky supported an independent state for Ukraine and that is why Stalin had him killed:

https://convincingreasons.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/trotsky-and-ukrainian-independence/

So for Bill to come on this forum and try divide Ukrainian Jews and their fellow Ukrainians to deflect from what Putin has done and Bill's real agenda and try smear Jews for the Holodomor is reprehensible.

Jews were starved to death, beaten and killed by the Red Army and Nazis no different in Ukraine in WW2 and the anti semitism I talk of was not particular to Ukrainians as Bill is well aware because I would argue he evidences in his words its the very same anti semitic hatred he communicates on this forum.

As for Ukrainians, to call them all Nazis to justify what Putin does speaks for itself in its attempt to deflect from this invasiom as well as the Holdomor (that starved Jewish and non Jewish Ukrainians no differently).

Yes there were pro Nazi Ukrainians in WW2. Some were actually pro Nazi and shared the anti semitic hatred of Jews and desire to wipe them out due to their religious beliefs that Jews were descendants of the killers of Christ and less than human.

Others were not anti semites but fought along side Nazis against the Red Army because of the Stalinist policies to starve Ukrainians not because they were pro Nazi. To now say if a Ukrainian wants to be independent of Russian control this makes them a Nazi is bullshit.

Bill will not as he has been challenged acknowledge his own anti semitic beliefs and the anti semite extremist ultra nationalists he supports in his definition of who is a Russian and why he believes Ukrainians are inferior. Let him speak candidly about his actual ultra nationalist views of what is a Russian.

More to the point, instead of "revealing" the "real" name of Trotsky which was never hidden and everyone knew, how about Bill undergo the same standard and tell us his actual name. So Bill Carson what is your actual Russian name. Oh go on share like you did Trotsky's name.

I can tell you this, I have a very Russian Jewish name and you know my first name. Its there on the board. I don't hide who I am or the fact I had relatives die in Poland, Prussia, Ukraine, and Belarussia as well as Russia.

You want to lecture me again on what pogroms, the Holodomor and Holocaust are? Hmmmm? You think I was taught to hate all Christians because of people who have your views? Hmmmmm?

I call "Bill Carson" out for the revisionist bullshit I argue he is selling and he asked me if I saw it coming? I have been challenging it from the moment he began making posts and continue to do so.

Here is what Bill thinks no one knows:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...ropaganda-war-by-slawomir-sierakowski-2022-03

https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/vladimir-putins-historical-disinformation/

https://cepa.org/article/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-history-as-ammunition/

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...in-russia-ukraine-revisionist-history/622936/

 

"Guess we in the West are all Nazis" - A very accurate statement. Moreover, historically proven many times.

 

Let's define. By 'skin' I mean actual combat troops. Ukraine is not a member of NATO - it's attempt at membership was rejected by NAT

Yep, that must include me - an Anglo Christian with Jewish ancestry.
Never invaded another country, never bombed apartments, never tried to freeze people to death, never abducted children, never tortured --- like Russia does every day. But I am somewhow a Nazi, or a Natonal Socialist.

 

That makes your comment all the more silly

Why are you telling me that you never tortured anyone .. as if that has relevance to you being a Nazi.. why are you somehow a Nazi .. whats with the self deprication ? and what does this have to do with Israel torturing people like USA does every day ?

Cocka doodle do Frau Pooh

 

Poo think of the absurdity of what "Bill Carson" has attempted. He tries to smear Jews as Nazis and Stalinists at the same time, which is actually an old canard as its termed. Real old. Next he supports Putin and Putin's precisely Stalinist policies on Ukraine so for him to pose a reference as if he disagrees with what Stalin did to Ukraine in the past when he supports what Stalin did and what Putin now repeats, speaks for itself.

Next even if there are extremist haters in both Ukraine and Russia which of course there are, Bill is in bed ultra right wing Putin backers whose agenda is anti everything but their version of what is a Russian and there version of Russian excludes many people. It certainly doesn't mean because so many of these ultra nationalists are Russian Orthodox and may be influenced by specific Russian Orthodox clergy does not make all Russian Orthodox suspect any more than it does all Russians or Ukrainians.

This was comes about precisely because the Bill Carsons of the world want to define people by religion, nationality and then use that to create political divides.

As a Jew in an ideal world I wish my people had never had to return to Israel if for no other reason to avoid the current conflict but they always lived there and when they fled Europe and the Middle East from people with similiar cognitive exercises as Mr. Carson, they had no choice. Now it causes a war with people in the West Bank and Gaza who do not recognize Jews as a political collective group with a connection to Israel and its created Jewish people who have developed very extreme views against people who live in the Middle East who call themselves Palestinian nationalists.

The way I see it, as a Jew I believe my people have a right to a country but I also believe non Jews on the West Bank who reject Jordan as a Palestinian state for non Jews which it was created for by the British and says openly in its constitution should have a right to a second state on the West Bank and Gaza just like I believe Ukraine has a right to be an independent state for Ukrainians or Russia for Russians.

I hate war. I volunteered in a conflict zone and witnessed terrorism and I do not like it. I hate having to define myself as a Jew collectively in the sense that when I do so it is usually in response to anti semitism not an expression of pride sort of the same way as gay people although we both try celebrate our culture through music, art, celebrations as do other groups who have been targeted for hatred.

It is impossible for me to hate all Ukrainians and call them Nazis because there is a history of anti semitism in Ukraine just as it is pointless to hate Russians, Germans. I could justify distrust and hatred of Muslims, Christians, for what their government did but what good would it do? How would it undo the past and how would it do anything but promote future hatred using the same cognitive process of generalization in a negative manner ot dehumanize an indentified group.

I would love just once someone to call me simply a human and not have to label it so I have to stand and not be spit on. Well I tell you in Canada, oh hell we are not perfect, and in my personal life I have been targeted for hatred for being a Jew, but compared to my grandparents, parents, others before me, no comparison. I live in a country where the police parked outside the synagogue I went to, to protect it from vandals not arrest us for being Jews. When I thanked the officer and gave him a coffee and pointed that out, he was a bit emotional and thanked me.

Christians the same ones who might have used their religion to hate also had members who were righteous and helped my grandparents and others. Muslims too. Why would I omit that?

I can't. So in all this crap I support Ukraine. I do not hate Russians. I do not hate anyone simply for who they are born into. I hate terrorism, violence, war of any kind, people who expect to be recognized as a distinct group but will not respect others the same way.

I don't like any human for the same reason and so prefer hanging with dogs and non homo sapiens...but you today I will call a human precisely because of what you said and someone needs to acknowledge your words.

 

Weren't you saying that Ukrainians are Nazis?

 

Certainy not .. why would I make such a fallacious generalization .. like you like to do .. Frau Pooh. The Azov Nazi's do not represent all Ukrainians .. why would you desire to tar all Ukrainians with that stank .. .. Why Pooh .. why do take the side of genocide ?

 

Russia invades and commits genocide to other sovereign nations out of fear that Ukraine may have NAZI's who might invade and genocide other sovereign nations...

Seems legit.