Salisbury poison was Russian-made NOVICHOK - British PM confirms.

If the main consequence is further sanctions against Russia, then the only party interested in poisoning this traitor and his daughter was the side which likes the sanctions. which is mrs Clinton and her minions in other countries, who really meddled with elections working against Trump...

Russia didn't need extra sanctions. Russia didn't have a reason to use such a way to kill the guy. So I really think that they were poisoned for the sake of propaganda.

Next time they come to your house and rip off you and your kids blaming me of it... Why not? Your innocent blood would make excellent news against Russia. For a day. For a week...

 

The shame of it all! Same old, same old - plenty of accusations but no evidence? Like I keep on saying - 'Dumb 'em down, and when we've done that they'll believe anything we tell them!' (a la my sig).

 

Whenever an attack is made by something that was designed to be covert but has been rendered traceable for decades, you can be sure that the ones it most obviously traces to had nothing to do with it. Intelligence agencies dont use their own **** anymore, they use everyone else's.

 

Russia? Britain is, more likely.

well, blame the West for this.

 

I think further sanctions is likely although not necessarily specific to this event... the west and Russia is on a collision course... we're going downhill fast

There's no need to threaten me on the forum... I post here on my coffee break, a pm telling me to leave would suffice... I'm not stupid, even I could find me.

 

You can say that again. I can't believe how utterly stupid our ruling classes have become. Then again, I suppose we should remember that they're only puppets, having their strings pulled by the puppet-masters of the NWO. I sometimes wish that I were one of 'the vegetables' - I'm sure it would improve my blood pressure readings!

 

When was the last time any of these stated for brainwashing :

Allege
We believe so
Highly likely
Probably

 

Scarlet darlin calm down.. It hasn't been a week you "all of a sudden" started wondering if Skripal had anything to do with Steel dossier... I don't want you to make me mad.

 

I thought Donnie had already appointed his dude to head CIA... Did he turn against his boss? : (

Why?

 

well maybe I like you mad

 

Everything like EVERYTHING? Because Putin was there in 90s, being one of the guys in Yeltsin's crew of 96, he must at least be knowing the ones responsible for taking EVERYTHING and getting away with it, unless for sure he sold them EVERYTHING himself.

Here's the awkward stuff: Either way he had a firsthand account of stolen/sold Russian WMDs. So he might have had revenge from those who he thought having taken in part of the plot. If Skripal had his hands over this s.hit then we know who wanted to kill him like the other 3 that have been sent to the spy heaven before him.

 

I don't see anything between Russia and EU going downhill. it is just the rhetorics in the newspapers. Just propaganda. Nothing more. Every action must have an aim. So if the sanctions don't change the views of crimeans and don't reduce the capability of Russia to defend itself the aim is just different.

I didn't threaten you, did I. I just said that IF I am right and if this couple was poisoned for anti-Russian propaganda reasons, next time they need a successful propaganda issue they (not Putin) can kill some of your family. There is nothing to worry about if this idea is completely insane and only mad Putin is killing traitors just the way for western media to get a good picture of poor dying people. Your scare (hopefully you didn't spill your coffee, cause it would have been the most dramatic consequence because of my words) shows that you are not that sure in what you say and you are not that negative about the ideas of mine. Unfortunately people in general (not only western people) are easily accepting anything when it doesn't refer to them personally.

 

"There is never a justification for this type of attack -- the attempted murder of a private citizen on the soil of a sovereign nation -- and we are outraged that Russia appears to have again engaged in such behavior. From Ukraine to Syria -- and now the UK -- Russia continues to be an irresponsible force of instability in the world, acting with open disregard for the sovereignty of other states and the life of their citizens."

Who stated this?

REXXON...

 

The article is intended for imbeciles, who do not have a brain. Practically an exact copy of a well-known tube with white powder from Collin Powell.

I explain:

First, even if we assume that the British experts succeeded in detecting a poisonous substance within a few days, to the accuracy of the producing country and the name, then in this case there are inconsistencies. As it was said, Skripal and his daughter are poisoned with the neuro-paralytic gas "Rookie", which, according to Teresa May, was produced in Russia. But forgive me, "Newcomers" were first synthesized in the USSR in the mid-1980s by P.P. Kirpichev and have nothing to do with the country under the name of Russia, since there was no such country in the period of production and storage of "Novices" was the USSR, and in its composition the RSFSR, as well as other republics.
Why are the accusations only addressed to Russia, and not to other republics of the former USSR, where the "Newcomers" developments also took place (I recall that all the former Soviet republics represented a single economic and military space before disintegration)? Why, let's say, there are no questions to Ukraine, where it is quite probable that some warehouses with chemical weapons were based in the Soviet era and where, after the collapse of the USSR, there was a huge sale of all the remnants of the Soviet defense industry?

Secondly, one of the "novichok" production sites, according to the "New York Times" from 1999 http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/world/us-and-uzbeks-agree-on-chemical-arms-plant-cleanup.html, was the State Scientific Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNioht) in the city of Nukus, Uzbekistan.

And now the most interesting is that since independence in 1991 Uzbekistan together with the government of the United States of America has been carrying out dismantling and decontamination of facilities where "new" agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed. That is, the formulas and samples of the "novichok" could easily have been (and most likely proved to be) at the disposal of the American special services. And what does Russia have to do with it, which in the 90's destroyed all the available weapons?

Thirdly, from 1965 to 1992, worked at the State Scientific Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) - doctor of chemical sciences, Vil Mirzayanov, where "novichok was developed, and held a serious post as head of the Department for Countering Foreign Technical Intelligence. Of course, he had access to the top secret developments of the "Program "Foliant "", which included the creation of the top secret poisonous substance "novichok ". And in 1996, Mirzoyanov emigrated to the United States, where he still lives in Princeton, New Jersey.
And as it turned out, the creator of the "novichok" Mirzoyanov actively cooperates with Russian extremists, funded by the US Department of State.

And now the question. If the creator of the Soviet "novichok" who was allegedly poisoned by Skripal has been living in the United States for 18 years and, under the cover of the State Department, is actively working against the current Russian government, supporting extremist and opposition movements, could he be used in the current British game "blame Russia"?.... Easy and at ease. After all, it was Russophobic-minded Mirzoyanov who developed "newcomers" during the Soviet period.

Once again, the statements of the mad Theresa May are designed for idiotically and gullible oligophrenic.

However ... the Russians are ready to fight. They do not care about idiots in power in Britain or the US or any other country. You want a war - okay, there will be a war for you.

 

I would sooner believe a foreign power - in this case Russia - than my own government. What a thing for a patriot to have to say?

 

The gas 'Novichok' was really made in times of the USSR and its volumes were destroyed according to a signed convention. GB has the information about this gas due to this process and obligations fulfilled by Russia.
I regard it as a bloody show. Mrs May cannot impose new sanctions just to make a negative information around the time of Russian presidential elections, so she had to use (at least use of not 'order') this attempt on assassination. If mrs May behaved legally as a politician she would use the official contacts and request through the acting international committee controlling chemical weaponry and Russia would provide all the information according to the agreements signed. But mrs May chose a different way and created a mess in media sturring a scandal.

Of all the possible consequences I fear for... Damascus. I am afraid that having so easily agitated and unthinking population the terrorists from eastern Ghouta will perform another chemical attack possibly killing the civilians who were not allowed by the terrorists to leave their controlled area. And next the USA will perform a massive attack on Damascus, which will be an accepted atrocity by western public. I hope that Russian military creates a proper defense lines and minimize the possible damage.
Another possible aggression is located in Donbass region. If western public would demand the proofs instead of accepting lies and assumptions these people would stay much more safe...

 

not really...

 

The USA has no authority to be in Syria - not that the lack of authority has ever stopped them going into other countries to achieve regime change. Sorry to say it but the most dangerous country on the planet today is the USA.

 

Obviously weren't "that" fullfilled where they or there wouldn't be a bunch of people down in Salisbury gasping for air....

Why not? The Putin chap has gassed a few here so bollocks to your fixed elections - seems like the lad has his wish...get the world riled up about poor wee peace loving unicorn hugging Mother Russia and all of a sudden this Putin lad has his victory. Cool play kudos... Question...why the elections? Why not just crown him for life.. I mean seriously is he going to lose...of course not!
Oh and by the way we have your nerve agent now so yarrboo sucks to you!!

 

That is a bit of offtopic here. I tied the information campaign and a possible result of its acceptance. That is what the western leadership learnt and adopted from ISIS I think.
My idea is that the western society needs to be terrorized. When a person feels scared he is ready to approve cruel and sharp decisions. This became evident in times of WWII when bombing of british cities led to unification of the nation and support of war. At the same time if the society is tired of war these atrocities lead to society demanding to end the war at all costs. Some nations of Asia were enslaved for a long period of time due to atrocities.
In this case the Londoners see that a terrible poison appeared next to them and anyone can die just because he found himself wrong place and wrong time. So if the big guys say that more sanctions and bombing of Damascus will prevent such a nightmare then why don't we support the ruining of international trade, lowering the life status of millions people and kill another thousand people somewhere and Syria? This schizophrenia has sense. Because if we asked a non-scared british person if he was ready to vote for guys planning such atrocities BEFORE Scripal issue we would most likely get a negative answer. Afterall the brits are the people and they are not that bad and bloodthirsty.

 

My post was perfectly valid and appropriate to the topic, albeit as a sidebar.

 

A gas synthesized once can be synthesized another time. I think that Britain is still able to make up a chemical product equal to the one made in the times of the USSR. At the same time I don't see that deadly effect, because the people are still alive, which would be a waste for a real combat chemical.

Putin is not that caricature Doctor Evil. He has no gains of what happened in GB. Only losses. If Putin was that kind he would use one of his new rockets at NATO military based in Syria making hundreds of widows. If he wanted to have Scripal killed a sniper shot would be much more cost effective than to restore an ancient soviet gas, which GB knows of and.. and... and... and for what? If Russians were maniacs and needed such an athrocity to vote for Putin the ministry of foreign affairs wouldn't have denied it!
Please, come up with a logical story without fairy tales of why it was needed and why this method was chosen. My version is at least better for the details and doesn't depict millions of people as insane maniacs.

There are such ideas in the society but it is firstly not popular among the society and secondly Putin doesn't like to do so. He could stay as a president if he wanted. But he doesn't. Mrs. Clinton would never understand it, but I hope you do.

Your government had all the data about it as well as about its destruction since 90s. If they didn't tell you - it's your problem.

 

Considering that the fools who are dealing with this could accidentally lead us into a world war, I'm surprised you can be so flippant about it.

 

Nonsense ...
This poison gas attack took place in 1988 and just from the US there was only a mild an arrogant shrug about ... nothing else!
Why? Quite simply ... In 1988, Saddam was still a good friend of Washington in the region, and on the same level of friendship as Saudi Arabia wahat Saddam did, the evil mullahs in Iran were at war.
Then and only when he was declared as a bad enemy because of Kuwait in 1990/ 1991 to accuse him of these things and even to list it as a reason for the criminal attack in 2003 is not only hypocritical, but already a typical American insolence where you really have to wonder if the Americans want to fool you!

About the Topic here ...
Suppose that the untruthful Theresa May told the truth here, and it was actually this nerve agent / gas produced exclusively in the former USSR. It turns out to me as a neutral Person who wants to use logic the simple question of the meaning, why the Russian secret service made this attack at all and why now!
The guy was in a Russian jail for 6 years and you had all the time in the world to "dump him" in al secret, but Russia released him in 2010 and he went to the UK. Now 8 years later came suddenly the attack? Makes not really any sense on first view!

What we all do not know is a maybe existing Background!
In theory, it may be that the guy got any documents in his possession, with which he could hurt Russia and / or Putin badly? It may be, but we do not know that, and there may be a thousand other reasons ... but without anything in this way, an attack by the Russian secret service makes absolutely no sense!

So what's left as alternative?
This poison was then produced in Uzbekistan and who knows where stored everywhere as the USSR collapsed. Quite possible that others could get to the poison in the chaos ofr the 1990's or to the documents how to make it, etc. Of course, there is then the question of who!
The guy was a double agent and has annoyed and harmed a lot of people with it, which certainly makes him incredibly "beloved" by these People.
These people are not just any Mr. Miller and Mrs. Smith ... these are powerful people with powerful friends, a lot of influence and part of powerful "organizations". That these people are able to stand outside of any question for me!
But here, too, is the direct question for me, why the attack comes only after 8 years and why suddenly! What was going on in the background?
Instead of dealing with such simple and logical things and finding answers, the circus performance of May followed yesterday ... and that Washington's Rinald Mac Donald uses it as a cliff to jump on the boat was clear!

 

Yup but the issue is that they can identify from whence it was synthesized...being....Mother Russia...I think they term it the smoking gun or in this case the deadly pizza.

yeah it was a bit of a balls-up as you say your guys would have been better just cracking the guy in the skull with a cricket bat - I guess the guys that did it are floating face down in some river in deepest darkest Russia now.

Nah of course not he's a cuddly chap with a Ming the Merciless complex.

That's my point! why not just step up in front of the cameras and give the UK the bird... He should just tell May to go swivel and say "yeah bitch we did it....whacha gunna do!!" She'd be floored....wouldn't have a clue how to react....Boris Johnson would be huffing and puffing and blustering some sort of incoherent babble and the press would gang up on May and say...okay girl now what?
You guys had some Minister of Something on the Radio here this morning, and he was sprouting the same sort of crap they always do...you know the ususal denials and protests of innocence but it just sounded so fake and scrippted as to be just comical..... remember Comical Ali the Iraqi news spokeman....just like him....
I mean it was so fake it just proved it was true.

one is enough mate....just one paranoid little fella with a god complex and you have your reason.
Its okay they'll get better and employ food tasters and all will be right in the world... we'll send out our football team for a kick about...not sure if they'll all make it back alive but hey...they're pretty useless so a few changes will probably motivate them.

yeah right...he's set to retire and put his feet up with pipe and slippers and watch re-runs of Bear Hunting for Beefcakes.
Not sure what the Clinton woman has to do with the price of chips? Is she on the death list too?

Bastards don't tell me anything!! Don't even know when the pot holes in my street will be dealt with by the council let alone what the status of nerve agents in the global military theater of operations are up to. I guess you Ivans are better informed of such.... do you have pot holes in your streets and does it take forever to get them filled in?