Serbs destroyed Yugoslavia - The Death of Yugoslavia

The Serbs did not destroy Yugoslavia because Yugoslavia was an artificial state from its very beginning. It was a federal republic aiming to unite various nations wich had little in common in terms of history, national identity and culture. Imagine trying to unite Germany and France after WW1. Discussions such as who started what are completely meaningless because we all have our versions of how things were and who should be blamed for what. There were people who lived better under that regime, and there were those who didn't.

What surprises me the most is the fact that there are still people who are willing to reignite the old hatreds and misconceptions, and those people usually sit comfortably in front of their computers and spout their own theories not because they are open to other people's opinions and views, but because they desperately want to impose their own ideas onto others. The title of this very topic is completely wrong because you should be asking yourselves what the live for people living in Yugoslavia was like, what were some of the causes which lead to its dissolution, and could have (or should have ) that been avoided. Be open minded, criticize, question, expand your knowledge, but do not be so quick to place the blame on everyone but yourselves.

I had the opportunity to speak with a man who experienced the siege of Vukovar firsthand and I was really impressed when he told me that he would much rather forget all the horrors and ensure his children didn't suffer the same than harbour old resentments and watch his kids grow to hate other human beings.

 

OP is probably Kosovar or MacAlbanian .....

 

I think, that International community should have punished more genocidal country serbia due to their cardinal role in massacring, looting, raping and all other monstrosity acts carried out by them...

 

Yugoslav Army general Dragoljub Ojdanic confessed that he committed war crimes against Kosovo Albanians in the late 1990s and withdrew his appeal against his Hague conviction.

“I fully accept all of the findings made in the judgment [against me]. All that remains is for me to serve out my sentence,” said a letter signed by Ojdanic and sent to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, ICTY, on January 25.

“I express my sincere regret to all of those who suffered as a result of the conduct for which I have been convicted,” wrote Ojdanic, adding that he was 72 years old and his health had deteriorated in custody.

The general withdrew his appeal against the ICTY verdict against him in 2009, when he was found guilty of deportation and “other inhumane acts” against Kosovo Albanians.

According to the verdict, the general “knew of the campaign of terror, violence and forcible displacement being carried out by VJ [Yugoslav Army] and Serbian ministry of internal affairs forces against Kosovo Albanians, but he refrained from taking effective measures at his disposal”.

He was charged in 1999 together with former Serbian President Milan Milutinovic, former Yugoslav deputy prime minister Nikola Sainovic, former Yugoslav Army commander Nebojsa Pavkovic, former chief of staff of the army’s Pristina corps Vladimir Lazarevic, and former head of the Serbian interior ministry for Kosovo, Sreten Lukic.

Armed conflict between Yugoslav forces and the Kosovo Liberation Army continued from 1998 to 1999 before NATO intervened militarily in an attempt to end the violence.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/yugoslav-army-general-admits-kosovo-crimes

 

Why don't you check out the population genetic results from the national geographic genographic population study? Y chromosome genetic haplogroup I dominates the croatian, bosnian and half of the Serb population. They have no genetic connections with the Russians and Poles or Ukranians. They are the oldest genetic lineage of europe descending from cro magnon man coming to Europe from the middle east. They have genetic markers closely related with modern day jews and arabs.

 

Serbs are the punching ball of the West now on the Balcan. There was war, chaos, torture, murder and atrocities from all sides, without a doubt Serbia had its own package of guilt.

Being objective I admit, it was Germany putting a lot of pressure on Serbia by recognizing Slovenia as an independent state. I dont judge this action from the Kohl/Genscher administration due to the fact that Serbia was always a hostile country to Germany. I find it funny that Serbs who created a lot of anti-German horror stories are now portrayed in the US and parts of Western Europe as monsters themselves. Nevertheless I did not doubt for a moment it was war propaganda. Sure, many Serbs committed terrible crimes during the Balcan wars, this is simply what will happen in war, what happened in this war and it is easy to make up the Serbian war crimes in the media and blind out the war crimes of Croatian extremists, from UCK-extremists and all the other war groups. However, we heard of fairy tales like the Horseshoe Plan.

Get real, this was a dirty civil war. In the times of war and chaos many psychopaths will always see their opportunity to live out their sadism and perversion. There are enough of them in the US, the France, the German, the British, the Russian, the Syrian, the Serb, the Croatian ... forces. These atrocities they commit are always taken as an excuse to involve into a war for the interests of your own country.

 

You admit slovenia has to ask Serbia for permission for independence. Now you know Yugoslavia was runned by Serbs and for it to be a confederation of different republics can be interpeted nothing more than a myth. Yugoslavia was nothing mire than Serboslavia.

 

One can argue about your choice of words, but tendencially I agree.

 

Reading just the first page of this thread reminded me of exactly how I felt when wading through the propaganda coming from the Israeli v. Palestinian conflict the first time.

It seems the foes of Islam consistently use the same tactics of propaganda every time they enage the forces of Allah.

They don't want anyone to know who the REAL instigator is whenever they fight Muslims.

Or, wait a minute...

Could it be the MUSLIMS who try to confuse the issue whenever they are involved in a fur ball fight?

Hmmm...but why would Muslims, who are commanded to conquer territories for Allah, want to confuse the casual observer about who actually started the many wars they were involved in?

I wonder.

It's all so confusing.

 

From your sig.

Not everyone here may be aware of just who George Lincoln Rockwell was.

You want to tell them or should I?

 

Why do you ask me that? You want my permission for off-topic spam due to neurotic reasons? I dont care what you do.

 

George Lincoln Rockwell was a WWII & Korean War U.S. naval pilot who later founded the American Nazi Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell

I just wanted you to be able to show your pride in the man or his ideology if you had any.

 

Thank you very much. Whats the connection to this topic? Oh, ok, you just wanted to feel extremely smart and show the othersw how good you are.

 

The Yugoslav country was meant to fall. There was just no way of it maintaining itself for so many different reasons. It got together for the wrong reasons in 1918/19 and it was a fail ever-since. It is strange that the country lasted as long as it did, and I doubt it did any of the participating countries any good.

Just picture it's beginning: The later Yugoslav country was build as SHS (Slovenija, Hrvatska, Srbija) first. It was meant to be a federal country out of the remaining countries of the Habsburg monarchy. It's foundation can be traced back in three roots. First an political agenda within the Habsburg empire, then another one in London called the Yugoslav committee and thirdly there was the Serbian interest. If Austira-Hungary lost the war Croatia finally wished to separate from Hungary, Slovenia wanted to protect itself against the Italian appetite and Serbia basically was empty of human existence in 1918. That country was just destroyed. While economically speaking Slovenia and Croatia to a degree might have been capable of surviving on their own, they knew they needed someone who won WW1 on their side, who'd protect them from Italian territorial demands. The largest Slovene speaking city back then was Trieste which was after 1918 in another country.

Now you have a country created out of former enemies of war, where the winner of the war is actually worse of. Then you have out of the 12 million inhabitants back then 8 million speaking the same language, but they'd use two alphabets. Then there were social differences. In Slovenia 95% of the population could read and write, while it were merely 20% in Bosnia and 5% in Albania.

The differences were so huge and there was not a single University on Yugoslav ground when the country was founded. Now the country who had suffered most (Serbia) ran the entire country and was unwilling to share their hard earned and heavily paid victory in WW1. Just picture that beginning! Slovenia and Croatia expecting a federal country, and now they don't really get to say anything. And the country running it lies in ruins. Any other minority was basically ignored.

 

servian Police Official Apologises for Kosovo War Crimes

Former high-ranking servian interior ministry official Vlastimir Djordjevic admitted war crimes were committed against Kosovo Albanians during the 1999 conflict and apologised to civilian victims.

“In Kosovo in 1999, war crimes took place. I didn’t want those war crimes and if I could turn back time, I would act differently,” said Djordjevic, former assistant to the servian interior minister, during an appeal against his war crimes sentence at the Hague Tribunal on Monday.

“I have deep regrets about all the victims in Kosovo and for the suffering their families lived through. Without any reservations, I apologise to all Albanian civilians who lost their lives,” he said.

“I apologise to refugees as well. I hope the future of this region will be dedicated to peace,” he continued.

Djordjevic said that he only found out about war crimes committed by servian forces when bodies of Kosovo Albanians were found in a truck in the River Danube in 2001.

“Yes, I was involved when trucks with bodies were coming to Batajnica [a mass grave near Belgrade], but I didn’t know when the crimes were committed. I didn’t confront those who tried to mask and hide the crimes and I didn’t take any measures to find those responsible for war crimes, which I was supposed to do,” Djordjevic admitted.

“I honestly regret that, and I regret that I didn’t resign my post at the time,” he added.

Speaking about the conflict in Kosovo, Djordjevic said he spent most of the time in Belgrade, and denied he had participated in operations against the Kosovo Liberation Army.

In September 2011, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, ICTY sentenced Djordjevic to 27 years in prison for persecution on political, racial or religious grounds, murder and deportation.

According to the verdict, “forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) and servia, acting at the direction, with the encouragement, or with the support of Vlastimir Djordjevic perpetrated crimes which resulted in the forced deportation of approximately 800,000 Kosovo Albanian civilians”.

“To facilitate these expulsions and displacements, forces of the FRY and Serbia deliberately created an atmosphere of fear and oppression through the use of force, threats of force and acts of violence,” the verdict said.

During Monday’s session, the prosecution asked for a life sentence for Djordjevic, arguing that he was a crucial figure in concealing the bodies of Albanians killed in Kosovo in 1999.

But the defence asked for the first-instance verdict to be reduced because Djordjevic’s role in the Kosovo crimes “has been exaggerated by the prosecution”.

Djordjevic was arrested in 2007 in Montenegro after being on the run for four years.

He was an assistant to interior minister Vlajko Stojiljkovic, who was also charged by the ICTY but killed himself in Belgrade in 2001.

The date for the appeal verdict has yet to be set.

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http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serb-high-official-apologizes-for-war-crimes-in-kosovo

 

The story of servian policeman: Albanians were being killed for no reason.

“I have been everywhere and when I saw what was happening, I pulled out. Simply, without any reason, they would approach to people and threat them, by demanding money from them. If one lacked money, they would kill them, without any other reason” he said, explaining that he knew names of those who had killed innocent people by just saying “A good Albanian is good only as a dead Albanian”.

http://www.kosovapress.com/en/nacio...banians-were-being-killed-for-no-reason-5725/