Serbs destroyed Yugoslavia - The Death of Yugoslavia

Yes it was part of the ottoman empire like the entire Balcan, Muslim Albs was opressed to declare their self as Turks and the Christian Albs Serbs or whatever,And when the democracy started to come in these lands peoples started to declare their self what they are.

Meybe not independent but part of Hungary.

Natural Albania never was a country in papper but it always was a country in our hearts.

 

Oh really? Let me show you some news.

CNN
April 27, 1999

The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that more than 860,000 people, the vast majority of them ethnic Albanians, have left Kosovo since NATO began its air assault March 24.

Source: Wikipedia.

And most of the refugees from Serbia are now in their houses in Kosovo and all of them got new houses from the Goverment while there are still KLA Soldiers and Civilians that doesn;t have a home yet.

 

Were Albanians not a rather successful group in Ottoman Empire? They did not speak Turkish or Serbian as their first language, they spoke Albanian, correct?

Hungarians are not the majority there and their share is in decline.

Ok.

 

The ethnic Albanians mainly went away temporarly to not come under fire during war, this is differently from the other groups.

Only 16,100 went back until 2007, this is less than 10 per cent.

Additionally, there was another wave of expulsions against non-Albanians in Kosovo in March 2004, which the NATO tried to stop by sending more troops there.

 

I agree with you, The Godfather. As I already pointed out on a few occasions, Albanian irredentism was a major factor that led to the dissolution of Yugoslavia.



Welcome to the PF, have a fun

 

Yes they spoke Albanian in their homes,there are many many factors that made Albanians to change their nationality.

And what than??? It is their land.

 

Why you accuse Albanians for the dead of YU?
It didn't started with Albanians but it started with SLovenians than Croatians,BiH,Montenegro,Macedonia than Kosovo.
And why we had to stay with Serbia when we had different culture,different language,different religion?

 

Yugoslavia's problems started with Albanian demonstrations with slogans "Kosovo Republjik", when Albanians searched their own Republic in SFRJ, while they didn't created SFRJ in the first place, but they were its minority. (Not constitutional nation of Yugo-SLAVIA) . All that followed systematic harassment of Serbs and other non-Albanians who were encouraged to leave SAP Kosovo. It was possible cause Province was ruled by Albanian communist establishment.

The answer to this situation was national awakening of the Serbs, which spawned a socialist Slobodan Milosevic, cause of his prominent national rhetoric. His election brought new constitution of Serbia, and establishment of the sovereignty and integrity of Serbia on the territory of the whole Republic, meaning both its provinces.

And now this situation brought insecurity to the Slovenes and Croats in Federal balance, which leaded directly to the Slovenian separatism, and of course national awakening of the Serbs on Kosovo issue (for example Kosovo battle 1389-1989) brought the same awakening of the Croats. Only Croats replaced their communist suit with national suit with so many ustasha elements. That elements brought insecurity to the Serbs of Croatia.....who were remembering pretty well what happened last time under that symbols in ww2. Croats also brought new constitution and excluded Serbs as a constitutional nation of Republic of Croatia....hateful speeches, ustasha symbols, Serbs were fired from work... JNA got involved and the war started....Yugoslavia counted her last days....and the rest we all know.

That was of course in shortly...
And sorry for my not so perfect English...

If Albanian irridenta didn't got its answer in Milosevic's nationalism, and if Milosevic didn't awoke Croatian chauvinism, who knows what would happened....maybe at least Czechoslovakian scenario.

 

Thank you miss

 

It was their land. This is a big difference. Times change and population shares change. If you take a look at old maps, this happens in some regions.

 

If I may add to all of this, Serbs who no matter systematic harassment decided to stay in SAP Kosovo, persistently tried to obtain at least some help from the YU government, who was unfortunately unable to resolve this situation on a ground in a peaceful way, thus, once again, they swept it under the carpet....at least they tried to do it.


Serbs from Kosovo, asking for their rights, Belgrade, 1987.


Serbs from Kosovo, asking for their rights, Belgrade, 1987.

http://www.peternek.rs/english/frameset zivot.htm

 

She (Natasa Kandic) is a serbian, human right activist, she collected those information from serb police who took part in killing of those innocent and barehanded Albanian civilians !
Or maybe she is also another unreliable source ? Maybe we should start asking you, a brainwashed half-German, who denies so many events regarding your history.... e.g. Vojvodina's Germans expelling and killing by serbians !

WHo said that I have problems with ex - DDR ?

 

A person yes, a journalist too, who has revealed true side of serb terroristic actions in Kosovo ! He was charged because he somehow managed to have access to Military top secret documents and published them !
They killed babies, below the age of five.... it is a confession made by serbian soldiers who hailing their acts, admitted publicly in town's coffee places in serbia. How far can go insanity and bloodthirsty monster nature of serbs ?!?

 

The Suva Reka massacre (Albanian: Masakra e Suharekës, Serbian: Masakr u Suvoj Reci) was the mass murder of Albanian civilians committed by Serbian police forces on 26 March 1999 in Suva Reka, Kosovo, during the NATO bombings of Yugoslavia.

There were 48 victims of the Suva Reka massacre — among them many children — all members of the Berisha family. Victims were locked inside a pizzeria into which two hand grenades were thrown.Before taking the bodies out of the pizzeria, the police allegedly shot anyone still showing signs of life.Bodies of victims were later transported to Serbia and buried in mass graves near a police facility at Batajnica, near Belgrade.

The investigation of the Suva Reka massacre started three years after the mass graves in Serbia had been discovered. More than 100 witnesses were questioned during the trial, including Shureta Berisha, who survived the crime by jumping out of the truck that was transporting the corpses.Serbia's war crimes prosecutor has charged eight policemen for the massacre, including members of the 37th SPU of the Serbian MUP. Key witnesses of the Office of the Prosecutor are former police members who are able to describe in detail the murder of Albanian civilians and the removal of bodies from Suva Reka.

After a three-year trial, a war crimes court found four former policemen guilty of the massacre and sentenced two of them to a maximum of 20 years in jail, one to 15 years and another to 13 years. However, the Serbian war crimes prosecutors said they would appeal the verdicts, especially because the prime suspect — the commander of the special police unit that carried out the massacre — was acquitted.Suva Reka is the first war crimes case in Serbia related to the mass graves discovered after Slobodan Miloševics ouster.

In Serbia, Serbian policemen who fought ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are in general revered as war heroes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suva_Reka_massacre
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-expolicemen-for-kosovo-massacre-1673248.html

 

I take this as a "no".

Brainwashed half-German?

Why do you say "ex", if you have no problems with the GDR? Do you say ex-Ottoman Empire or ex-Austria-Hungary, too?

 

Times change but not the nation, its early to talk about Vojvodina but lets wait and see!

 

France general,about Serbia and Serbs

http://vimeo.com/9462034

 

Who said no ?!

You consider yourself that way?

What a stupid conclusion ! DDR was under Soviet rule, isn't it ? They did differed with the Federal Republic of Germany, didn't they ?

 

You did not say it, but there was no such quote in the response post. That's why I think, the answer to the question about the quote was "no".

No, not at all.

GDR was not under Soviet rule. There was a strong Soviet influence in the beginning, but it became less with time. This is one reason, why there was no Glasnost or Perestroika in the GDR. The Berlin wall going down was a GDR decision, for instance.

These were two countries belonging to two different alliances, both having been engaged in Cold War. It was politics. There still was a lot of political and economical cooperation and travel and so. It took a while until the Federal Republic of Germany recognized the GDR, Egypt did earlier.

 

Its only for Nato reasons that the Serbs did not win the war, what would the outcome have been if Nato wasn't there?

 

It probably would be an Afghanistan situation, where Serbia nominally would have had the power, while Albanian warlords would attack people.

 

You are so wrong here, Serbia was making wars up and down of Yugoslavia and they were losing too much,All the UCK officers finished the school in Croatia and they were planned to divide Kosovo from YU,If NATO didnt stoped the war a big part of serbia would have been called Croatia.

UCK never attacked Civilis but they made the war in Mountains and all they attacked is Serbians Army in uniforms, look all the videos in Youtube, You wont find a dead serbian without Army Uniform.

 

Why you are so sure?

UCK got many serbian bases in Kosovo without the help of Nato.

 

Croatia? Croatia has no interest in getting Kosovo territory. One reason why Croatia and Slovenia left Yugoslavia was the different economic development in the north and the south. The richer parts of Yugoslavia wanted to get out. This is the main pattern in separatism. Kosovo is the exception from this pattern, just like Corsica. Slovakia was borderline, since the Czechs were kinda glad to get rid of former poorer Slovakia and Slovakia developed better than the Czech Republic in the years after, so today Slovakia is the more successful part of former Czechoslovakia.

UCK killed hundreds of civilians ... at least ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War