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Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by AboveAlpha, Dec 18, 2014.

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The Bible is an authentic history, for sure,
    But it is a testimony from the people who lived and saw or heard about the reports which they wrote down.
    Some say Judas hung from a tree, while another testimony says different.
    We, as readers, are supposed to use these reports to understand what happened in 32AD.

    But the one thing this thread is about is whether there is evidence for God.
    A close reading says that Christ was Truth, personified.
    And Truth does exist as we know.

    Hence that answers the thread OP.
     
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  2. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Which says nothing about a creator. Youre claiming that whatever was "observing" had to be a creator for some reason.
     
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    There's proof of Jesus resurrection from the grave, which gave rise to Christianity. So, I guess will try to dispute whatever than can.
     
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  4. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    This has nothing to do with making a final decision on whether or not the various topics we just went through (people, places, etc.) are completely inaccurate. This has to do with your claim that nobody wrote against the validity of what happened. They did, and that's what I provided for you. Stop trying to change the subject.
     
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  5. Qchan

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    You keep trying to curve my argument, and I'm not sure as to why. I'm arguing about the historical accuracy. Jesus Christ as a person or his ministry isn't what's on trial here. Dunno how this is so difficult for you guys to compute.
     
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    so no one disputed the existence of Egypt? wow, that's huge :blankstare:
     
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    can I ask what possible relevance historically accurate information is when attempting to prove the supernatural?

    London is mentioned in the Harry Potter novels, does this mean wizards exist?
     
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  8. AboveAlpha

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    Truth is subjective.

    We are looking for some form of FACTS....and even then to what extent?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    You exist don't you? You shouldn't. By odds that are considered impossible, but we do (exist). The universe exists doesn't it? What caused the universe to begin to exist using the cosmology/astrophysics/astronomy equivalent to the theory of evolution, ie the big bang theory? So tell me, how did the big bangs 'singularity' come into existence when time and one would assume causality did not exist? (the BB doesn't have a real singularity like a multi-stellar mass black hole, its different, I used the word for clarity). So I would have you understand the above.

    reva
     
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    yes, but what would you have humanity understand about goblins, ghosts, pixies, fairies, flying teapots, and spaghetti monsters?
     
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  11. GraspingforPeace

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    Yes, we are talking about the historical accuracy. You claimed nobody wrote against the historical accuracy of the Bible. I provided you with an example of people writing against historical claims of the Bible (the year of Jesus' birth, and the various events surround Jesus' are historical claims). That's that.

    Uh, yes, it is on trial. Jesus' story is a large part of the Gospel narrative, so I'm arguing against it.
     
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  12. AboveAlpha

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    Probability that life exists in the Universe....100%.

    There does not exists any Mathematically Proven equations that dictate Life Evolving in our Universe via Quantum Evolution is highly unlikely.

    Quite the opposite.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I thought that was hilarious!

    "jesus and his ministry isn't on trial here" (in this debate about Christianity) :D :D
     
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    The Topic is what would it take for a GOD to prove itself.

    Religion is a BELIEF SYSTEM thus has nothing to do with Tangible Facts.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    If a religion makes tangible claims, yes, it does.
     
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    Making a claim is not providing proof.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Make you a millionaire? No, a billionaire! :smile:
     
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  18. AboveAlpha

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    Naw....some kid I met in a Garage making some new electronic device or program could do that!!

    Or perhaps some good insider info!!

    AboveAlpha

    - - - Updated - - -

    Besides...I am already have more money than I could spend.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    What if he gave you the winning Powerball numbers or something!
     
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    Ha!!! The Lottery!!!

    I once looked up the odds of a person who bought a $2 Scratch Ticket to win $100.

    They were 1 in 4027.

    That means a person would have to buy 4027 $2 Tickets thus spend $8054 to be certain they would get a $100 Winning Ticket.

    Now they would still get $2, $5, $10, $20, $40 and $50 winners.....but no where NEAR enough to justify spending even 7% of $8054!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Well, if God came down from Heaven and told you the winning numbers, and you won, would that convince you?
     
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    thing is, some of them are always bleating about their proof and evidence.
     
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    And how would I know this was a GOD?

    How would I know it was not a Time Traveler?

    That's the whole point of this Topic.

    What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

    And not only that.....if I was to meet a super advanced for of consciousness....why would that Entity want me to pray to it?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    But you didn't. You argued for what the bible said, not against.



    Fine. I'm advising you not to, because you're biting off more than you can chew.
     
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    You would believe in a time traveler but not a god? What if he made you sprout wings and fly? :angel:
     
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