Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

If they upset you by parking in your driveway or yard you should do it for the same reason you correct a child. If they were doing those thing in my yard I would shoot em. No, lol but I would make them move and clean up their mess. But I think the real reason or the 800 pound gorilla is you had a higher expectation of Christians. That or you dont like Christians anyway so you use your binoculars to watch for any unsavory activity, like praying on public land ? Lol. Personally I am on your side with this. My personal belief is that Christians should hold themselves to a higher standard in certain activities etc than most people would. There is a lot of scripture that agrees with that. One of my favorites is ; Hebrews 13:2 Do not neglect hospitality, because through it some have entertained angels without knowing it.

Lastly I know I gall the ever lovin’ (*)(*)(*)(*) out of many unbelievers here at PF (see what kind of reverend uses language like that???). Those that do not like me or what I write because my way of practicing my Christianity does not jibe with what they think a reverend supposed to be or do etc. So they automatically think I am a fake or hang around just to (*)(*)(*)(*) them off. I do not lie about my religion etc. Everything (almost everything) I say will benefit the faith sooner or later, more likely in the future. I am sincere and serious about my faith and yours too. I really do love all you even if it seems otherwise. As forest gump said; that’s all I am going to say about that (until the next thread).

God bless this forum~

reva

 

Well, I'm not a very intimidating figure, and besides, in RL, I pick my battles, mostly because of my hot temper. Sometimes I'm better off to just not say anything at all. I don't dislike Christians who practice what they preach. My aunt happens to be a very religious woman (Catholic), and she is a very nice person who I love to death. The point is that there are some who ignore the tenets of their own religious (or they are ignorant of them). Some of them can really turn a person off to religion.

 

Ok, God bless your aunt, (and you if not offensive) at least you know one christian who walks the walk. I am actually happy I misunderstood you because I wanted you not to only know what seems like zombie Christians from hell, lol! As promised I apologize, and mean it. That said most of us atheists to Christians seem to always on the defensive. Me its because of my job, I dont preach as a rule but I do have a mission that gives aid to the homeless etc. Some resent some of the conditions to receive otherwise free stuff! Also I like to post in a lot of general interest forums and its normal to flame like an afterburner even with fellow christians.

reva

 

Rude people aren't just limited to Christians. Anybody can be rude. If you want something done about your inconvenience, you should speak to the people in charge. It works in any area with a huge congregation. This even applies to police officers or even construction workers. Instead of complaining to the individuals, you go to the people in charge. That's common sense.

 

This is your independent source?
From the link: This article is a chapter from our 3 volume book series "Bible Believer's Archaeology"

Seems biased.

 

Oh brother. Whatever, dude.

 

I would probably convert if he helped me lose weight instantly.

 

Yes, I'm sure. You seem to think that posting a source is the end point of a debate. It's not. Your source is crap. Shall I elucidate on why your source's argument doesn't stand to scrutiny?

 

Let's say this being shows up on Earth and creates man out of nowhere. Two issues - one, this doesn't prove that being is God. And two, even if it is the being that created the Universe, it would still need to prove it's existed forever and prove it created the Universe. It's an impossibility as no matter what it did, it would have to prove an "x" beyond that.

It's much more reasonable that time/space/matter has always existed in some form or another.

 

A miracle....literally and figuratively.

 

Here's another source:
https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=907

What the sources here are saying is that, if read in the original Greek, it never gave Quirinius the title of "governor", but rather, said he was simply "proceeding over". The second source, I just now gave you, points to two census done within a relatively short time of each other. One source argues that Quirinius was given an official title from Augustus after he shown his ability during the first census mentioned in Acts 5:37.

 

The point is that these so-called religious people don't understand their own religious tenets. Sorry that the point went over your head.

 

So you won't accept Faith or Science as "evidence" of a God...?

 

That is the Key here.
Truth is lord, and even here, we ALL pretend that our arguments a the Truth, and others are wrong.

But Christ said Truth is lord to finding Reality, which was the sum of his visit.
Truth is the image and son of Reality, as scripture tells us.
Truth is the "logos" or "word" which Christ summed the scrioture to for us all:


John1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality or Father of all Nature), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God (almighty for all men).
He, (i.e.; as Truth, the symbolic Word to come: [Jud 1:3]), was with God, (i.e.; Reality), in the beginning, (Gen 1:1).
ALL (real) THINGS, (Phenomenally speaking here), came into existence through "him," (i.e. the concept of Truth), and apart from "him," (i.e.; Truth), not even ONE thing came into (man's mental model of the external world, or our) existence (except by Truth).

 

How about Common Sense, i.e.; that Truth describes what is the Reality which sane people ought be living inside???

 

But Reality is unfolding right now, again.
Another Frame of Reality has added to what already exists.
And this forever unfolding Reality creates new environments which only Truth can tell men is coming upon them.

Reality must be obeyed, or extinction is the second death, as the species disappears forever.
Truth is our Lord, since Reality must be figured out.

 

Yes,...
I am saying that this "Observer" who existed OUTSIDE of what would become the Universe, "He" created it by observation.

The Universe would not be here at all, otherwise, according to Science.
This is Scientific Evidence for a Creator.

 

...um...sorry you seem to have it backward...reality describes truth, or at least is used to define it.

It is unfortunate you have decided to take up residence outside of both.

 

Jesus was proving that other religions of the times were all wrong, including Judaism, because the God almighty is Reality, and "His" son and image is Truth.
Sane people agree this makes sense now.

You don't.

 

Your OPINION about what is True,... that is subjective.

Truth remains before mankind appeared among the animal world, and Truth will exist if we become extinct.

 

The Truth is what we need use for this, and Freud and Carl Jung have made it clear for us that inside mankind these "things" exist:



But I suspect we ought look in the mirror.
There we can see the image of God standing right there, counseling with all the evil forces in our own mind.

1) Lucifer = ............... Id
2) Satan =........ ...........Libido
3) Mammon = ............ Ego
4) Devil = .................. Anima
5) Beelzebub = .......... Self
6) False Prophet =.......Superego
7) False Shepherd = ... Harmony
The Good Shepherd = ...Conscience

 

Jesus said Reality is Truth, and Truth is Reality for men:

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I, (Truth), am in the Father, (Reality), and the Father, (Reality), in me, (Truth)?

 

Genetic evidence supports the evolution of man from a mutation of the 24 Ape chromosomes which fused two together.

The 23 human chromosome we now carry show two fused Ape chromosomes inside every cell of our body.
The age of this fusion was about 7 million years ago.

 

So you say, Truth is not Lord for mankind and sanity does not rely upon knowing Reality and trying to adapt to it?

 

He is silly, because the FACT remains that unless he adapt to Reality,... whatever it might be,... he would become extinct, i.e.; not saved.

Scripture says that for mankind to be "saved" it must learn and live inside of Reality.
Science also supports this now.