Shutguns and revolvers

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  1. Xenamnes

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    The original, erroneous claim made by yourself:

    Hence the response seeking clarification. Explain how to go about removing all of these types of firearms and other types of weapons from existence, preventing anymore from ever being constructed by those who have the knowledge of how such work, and limiting everyone to nothing more than shotguns and revolvers, to insure that firearm technology never advances further beyond that point.

    Demonstrate that the position of yourself is actually valid and holds merit, and is not simply more impotent whining about how if only reality was somehow different from what it currently is.
     
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  2. squidward

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    like the civil war?
     
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    Ask the guys at Gettysburg!
     
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    Well lets be honest here. Of course eliminating bombs and nukes and chemical weapons and tanks etc from war would result in fewer casualties than a war with all of those things. I mean sure, the Civil War was horrific, but WWII was far worse, and a full scale modern WWIII with current technology would be apocalyptic and put all other wars to absolute shame.

    However....the reason why we logically don't eliminate bombs and jets from war is because nobody would actually follow that rule unless we could all magically snap our fingers and make all of that stuff vanish into thin air. I mean just look at nukes, the worst weapon that man has ever created that no nation wants anybody else to have yet everybody wants them because some nations have them and NOBODY is going to be the first one to give theirs up in the hopes that everybody else would follow suit.

    The Russians and Chinese have nukes because the US has nukes. If the US didn't have nukes the Russians and Chinese would still have nukes. Why? Because it gives them an advantage over others which is why they have them and which is why no nation with nukes wants anybody without nukes to build nukes.

    See the trend?

    Thats why US cops have guns but UK cops don't. US criminals have guns, UK criminals don't. That's why US citizens have guns because our cops have guns and our criminals have guns. That's why none of us want to get rid of our guns. If we made a proposal that said "Everybody in the US give up their guns" then everybody would collectively say at the same time "you first". And nobody would "go first" which is the whole point....

    And if somehow the stars aligned and everybody agreed to give up their guns then there would be criminals who did not give up their guns who now have more leverage over everybody else because they don't follow the rules because they are criminals....

    In a nation with more guns than citizens I'm not giving up my guns until everybody else goes first. And seeing how that will never actually happen then I guess I'll forever keep mine.
     
  5. squidward

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    I have a better reason to justify keeping mine.
    The government has no right to take my right from me
     
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    They're weapons of war.
     
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    Yes with your sample size of one you've proven much.

    How many people were killed in Columbine without AR15's?

    How many people were killed in Virginia Tech with 10 round handguns?

    The police engaged the TX shooter.

    The liberal police in FL hid outside.
     
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  8. Nightmare515

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    Nope they sure don't and that is what many anti-gun folks absolutely hate. We always hear stories about the UK and Australia and all of that and why can't we just do that here. Well we have something called the Constitution here that you don't get to just dismiss because you don't like what it says.

    So many people tend to forget about that.
     
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    If I can remember correctly, one of my favorite quotes from the Bard goes something like:
    "Sweet are the uses of adversity, which like the toad, ugly and venomous, bears yet a precious jewel in the crown of his head"

    I began learning the "uses of adversity" early on in life and remember similar fights, rejections & red eared embarrassments but was generally popular, wrestled Light-Heavyweight & tried to look out for those who were bullied later in High School.

    Meanwhile, every 14 year old either had a full sized firearm and had access to countless loaded firearms and explosives around the neighborhood.
    The only explosions in school were M-80s dropped in toilets.
    Students would only bring guns to school that they had recently gotten for a birthday or Christmas but the idea of shooting anyone wasn't even joked about.

    Yes there is something wrong in a generation of trigger happy teens that has made them ill equipped to deal with the cruelty of life's adversities. The era of "Child Worship" has done them a great disservice.
     
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    From what I've read about places that have enacted so called "Assault Weapon" bans. Neither the police nor the local governments are even thinking of searching homes or otherwise enforcing the ban.
    The only way you could really run into trouble is if a zealous LEO sees you with an AW at a traffic stop etc
    Or...
    If your Gun Ban neighbor rats you out.
    Naturally, the Gun Ban groups want more "teeth" in the unconstitutional law.
     
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    The selfie generation. Believes the world really gives a **** and can't handle the reality
     
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    LOL I remember those days. I'll never forget the day some kid made something in chemistry class and walked into the bathroom and threw it in the urinal and effectively created a 3 foot hole in the wall. Pretty sure he got expelled, we never saw him again but he was damn sure famous after that.

    I agree 100% that the coddling of today's youth is doing them no favors. I'm not advocating bullying or anything but that's one of those things that "happens". It's part of growing up. There was none of this "feelings" stuff that we see everyday nowadays where there is a huge war to never hurt anybody's feelings and kids literally getting arrested for picking on somebody too much.

    There is NO WAY kids today are having it worse than "we" did. The crap I saw in school and the stuff we did to each other was beyond cruel. If you performed in the yearly talent show then you BETTER be good, or else. Putting people in the fish tank in science class, putting stink bombs in the teachers desk, having the popular guy get on the school news live show and ask the nerd girl out to the prom then at the end tell her he was just kidding on live tv that the entire school saw and watch her run out the door crying, etc. Hell one time some guys grabbed my buddy from the locker room butt naked and carried him all the way outside of the gym and threw him out there and locked the door. He had to run all the way to the front of the school with no clothes on and explain that to the administrator lol.

    People got egged, slapped with powder, dunked in toilets and trash cans. This was a country high school back in the day, we loved pro wrestling, it was not uncommon to see somebody just randomly get bodyslammed in the hallway between class. Kids would routinely be in the nurses office with bloody faces because somebody gave them a neckbreaker in the hallway and screwed it up on accident.

    A lot of it was cruel, dangerous, and dumb, but we were kids. It's what kids did...and like you said we never even thought about some kid showing up with a rifle and mowing everybody down. On Valentines Day and during Prom season A LOT of people got their little feelings hurt. Hell I got left out of my junior prom 2 days before it happened by my high school sweetheart who thought the guy with his own car was cooler than me. The same guy who decided to tell everybody in intricate detail about how the night went after prom was over...It's high school, we all know what they did, and he made sure EVERYBODY knew including me. **** happens...I was 16 years old...you get over it that's part of being 16 years old...

    We used to dunk each other in the locker room toilet head first and it was all part of being a kid. Nowadays you post a mean picture on somebody's Facebook page and you get arrested.

    What the hell is going on in our society? And we wonder why we have pink haired 20 year old adults with cowbells in their noses having actual panic attacks in the middle of the street because the person they wanted to be President didn't win....
     
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    They've been raised by electronic devices
     
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    This is part of what engenders the pursuit of gun control; the thought of having to take responsibility for yourself sends these sheeple running for their safe spaces.
     
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    Shakespeare

    Duke Senior:

    "Sweet are the uses of adversity,
    Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
    Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;
    And this our life, exempt from public haunt,
    Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
    Sermons in stones, and good in every thing."

    As You Like It Act 2, scene 1, 12–
     
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    Josh Sugarmann's statement on the recent school shooting in Texas:

    “Once again the nation mourns innocent children shot dead at school, a place where they should feel and be safe. This time it is students at Sante Fe High School in Texas. In communities across America, children live in terror of gun violence whether it be the daily horror of urban gun violence or the sporadic terror of school shootings. This is the inevitable result of a gun industry that is free of even the most basic health and safety regulation and therefore focuses on producing increasingly lethal firearms and accessories such as bump stocks and ammunition magazines holding up to 100 rounds. This is a national shame. We must act now to address this expanding public health crisis. Far too many have already paid the ultimate price for our inaction.”
    http://www.vpc.org/press/violence-p...ng-at-santa-fe-high-school-in-santa-fe-texas/

    Are revolvers and shotguns more lethal than they used to be?
     
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    No.

    The children are.
     
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    What about the increase in the production and marketing of high caliber handguns? The Santa Fe shooter had such a weapon.

    "Yet in our nation’s ongoing conversation about the root causes of gun violence, the makers of guns are hardly ever mentioned. As a public health researcher, I find this odd, because evidence shows that the culture around guns contributes significantly to gun violence. And firearm manufacturers have played a major role influencing American gun culture....

    "So what can explain the jump in the sale of high caliber handguns and semi-automatic rifles?....

    "Gunmakers have become very effective at marketing their wares as necessary tools for self-defense – perhaps in large part to offset a decline in demand for recreational use."
    http://theconversation.com/how-the-firearms-industry-influences-us-gun-culture-in-6-charts-92142
     
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    The .38 Special, the type of revolver that the Santa Fe shooter had, was designed in 1898. "New fangled". Do you bother to check anything before posting?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Special
     
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    No, they aren't. These firearms, especially those chambered .38 Special or 12 gauge, haven't changed much in the last 100 years.
     
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    Be careful with those 100 year old shotguns, many have Damascus barrels of twisted or laminated steel which are not considered safe with modern ammunition.

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    1916, General "****** Jack" Pershing Mexican Expedition chasing down Pancho Villa.

    Not all but many of Pershing's Calvary soldiers left their rifles behind with Eisenhower and crossed into Mexico only armed with .45 ACP M-1911 pistols.

    The first U.S. military mechanized assault in history was pulled off by Lt. George S. Patton during the same time in Mexico and Patton and his men were only armed with pistols and revolvers.

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    The first motor vehicles used in actual combat by the U.S. Army were the 1916 Dodge touring cars in which forces under the command of Brig. Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing pursued and engaged Pancho Villa following Villa's raid on Columbus, N.M., March 6, 1916.

    A young Army lieutenant, George S. Patton, saw his first motorized combat as a member of this "punitive expedition."
     
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    So pistols and revolvers are the same as shotguns and revolvers. And by the way that wasn't a war. Nice try though.
     
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    Since when is a .38 Special a "high caliber handgun"???
     
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    Well this one hundred year old shotgun can be slam fired.





    If you can't get your hands on a Winchester Mod.-12 shotgun, next choice is the Winchester Mod.-1300 Defender.
    It doesn't slam fire but the slide comes back on it's own only requiring pushing the slide forward. Four rounds of 00 buck, 36 X .33 cal leads rounds going down range in one second.

     

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