So LGBT is a personal life style choice — so what?

Science has an interest in knowledge, but other than that, I agree. Why should anyone care?

 

Look, this isn't a comedy thread, and your attempts are sad.

 

An anatomy class (a real one, not a high school one) would point out the variability in external characteristics.

There are lots of parts to the puzzle, and it's just not the case that the many variables always align in only one of two ways.

 

No its quite clear you agree with the LGBT lobby that these children were secretly flirting with their molesters.

 

I banged a chick who decided to go full on lesbian.

She chose me to come over to her house (this was years ago) and more recently, chose to start dating a chick.

Maybe she was born that way and she just really, really wanted some weiner cause she liked chicks. Who knows?

Now, give me your fantasy response of 'maybe she didn't realize she was gay' or 'maybe she was doing because she wanted to be straight'.

Which is pretty crazy since she has a 10 year old son and never was into chicks until now.

'Maybe she just didn't want to admit she was gay'.

Until this doesn't work out and shes back to dudes.

Same old arguments, and round and round we go.

 

Sounds like a bisexual.
There are many people that their gender attraction remains constant - they are called heterosexual or homosexual.

 

You aren't making sense.

 

Bisexual because you can always make up SOME sort of new mental issue to explain the behavior.

You sound like a religious weirdo who is never wrong because there's always an excuse for everything.

 

The short answer to that is, no they don't. They almost always work against their own interests.

 

And playing the role of a gay man does not mean you are actually a gay man. A device, obviously, but it can't only work one way. The reality is that in the last few decades there have been many men 'try out' (and subsequently reject) homosexuality because they lived in environments in which it was seen as hip and cool.

 

It's probably not learned in the sense you mean here though. It would happen much earlier, and via much different modes than simple 'modelling'. Hence the animal examples of homosexuality.

The point isn't to discuss the specifics of the environment which gives rise to these things (THAT would be pointless), but to acknowledge that it isn't innate.

 

Beautifully put. Could not agree more.

 

Unfortunately- people are slow learners about thing that are wrong but they have been taught to believe. That is very much the case here- most adults have been raised to think it's a choice, to think that gays are less than they are therefore they are better- a self-serving prejudice that has served to abuse gays for generations, to license an outlet for hate and discrimination. A socially acceptable way to be abusive, to get even with life for what you think it has done wrong to you... and you must pass along to get even,.

If you can talk genuinely and openly with a gay person there is something very common- they know they don't have a choice. As one told me:

"I've been beaten up by strangers on the street, rousted by police without reason. cursed, spit on, called every vile name you can think of, and been discriminated against in terms of housing, jobs and about everything else. Finding a partner is very difficult, because so many gays are so paranoid and emotionally harmed by the social stigma of this prejudice that it's all they can do survive, and most lack the ability to support a partnership. It's a sort of living hell- and do you really think anyone would choose to live this way if there was another choice?"

Taking the position that it IS a personal choice is one made not by gays- but by prejudiced people trying to be better than someone else on the ladders of social standings and self-respect... I'm good because he's bad; he's bad because he's gay... so I win something. Nothing of value, just the right to tell myself that I'm better than someone. Why climb up the ladder, when you can just push someone else down? I assure you, that is a major element of the idea that people choose to be gay. And- it doesn't speak well of us.

 

No reality does.

 

If there is anything to support these unconscious choices I'd consider it. I don't claim that it is genetic, it's possible, pleiotropy is possible, environmental conditioning is as well. It's all still up in the air. But when I see positive claims like this I like to see evidence supporting them.

 

It's the basic definition of the words.
I'm sorry simple definitions escape your understanding.

 

What about that lesbian's girl that decided to "revert"
This mudpuddle is too deep for me.

 

What about her? You don't have to figure it out.

 

1. Leaving them alone would be abolishing government privileges to married couples, not extending them to married homosexuals.

2. People are scared of the unknown.

3. People are religious and have lots of funny ideas.

4. In general, people cannot long tolerate their freedom. It's just so damn tedious, they need a paternal figure to tell them how to live their lives, and to relieve them of that burden. FixingLosers, meet government.

 

Maybe a (sincere) question isn't likely to be "stupid" (per se)... but it surely can be lacking in 'sense'; the question above is one of those.

 

I already gave you the evidence.

Probability of Molested given gay does not equal the probability of being molested. Therefore bring molested as a child and being gay are statistically dependent. As I pointed out it was statistical dependence that proved tabaco companies were spiking their cigarettes with extra nicotine. The left didn't complain about statistics then.

 

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Just so you know, I wasted some of my time going back in this thread looking for your verifiable evidence. I found none.

 

No you didn't. You gave assertions.

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He did say it once before. But that isn't really evidence.

 

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My point is, "verifiable evidence". I may respect opinions but I certainly don't mistake them for facts.

 

I don't respect opinions, I do respect other people's rights to have them. I certainly don't accept unsupported opinion as fact. So we agree.