SOON:Revolution in Russia

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  1. MaxRiga

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    Well, since you mentioned "bad manner" I would like to remind you that this is not my exam and you r not my teacher. I'm not here to answer any questions. Please, consider this when you will be asking for "a good manner" somebody else next time.
    If you want me to answer any questions you have to make me interested in answering it.
    Please, let me remind you one more time that I'm not historian and I'm not going to "fight" for my opinion. It's mine and I don't care do you accept it or not. If you know something better then me I’m ok to listen. So far I see only rude and impolite people. If Russian people like you then I’ve learned something new about Russia.
     
  2. raymondo

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    Albert asked ,How did Catherine the Great die?


    Breathlessly .

    Just coming to the Forum , noting the subject title but not fancying several pages of previous comments , I risk returning to the original contention .I respond .
    Mister Putin and his ex KGB -- and now Gazprom Mafia buddies --- have done everything possible to lock Russia into a Fascist State system ( check definition before you start yelling ) .
    The vertical power structure and complete lack of any real opposition will ensure that no revolution will last for more than the proverbial ten minutes , as long as the FSB and Government are one and the same thing .Which they are .
    For those studying History -- and we do have some swatty types here --- it seems more than reasonable to suggest that the last few centuries have conditioned Russian people to accept and tolerate leaders and systems which many other countries would and have not . It is too easy to question the bravery of the current generation about not resisting tyranny . Once you truly understand how the State can and does act to remove anything that could conceivably take power from United Russia ( the paraded face of a "democratic"ruling party ) you would think very soberly and rationally before publicly airing any grievances of a really fundamental nature .Martyrdom is painful .
    As a detail , when Putin and his gentlemen friends removed URPO from official existence ( a global assassination elite force that acted independently and could eliminate any individual threatening the State ) , they simply transferred the same powers to other elite FSB forces . They operate ruthlessly in the North Caucasus and have managed to knock off various irritants in France , Austria and Turkey with apparent impunity .Let alone Litvinenko in London in 2006 .
    Imagine therefore the situation of ordinary people locked in the Federation itself !!
    So who fancies a Revolution anytime soon ?
     
  3. Potap

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    MaxRiga what a problem? What are you afraid? You are not the historian but you dare to speak about Russian history which is completely bloody according to you and you cannot answer simple questions. As you know enough to do such conclusions I can assume you can answer elementary questions. What is wrong? So I make a conclusion your opinion is based either on on a hatred of offended Baltic person or on an ordinary ignorance.
    Ok, I shall answer these questions.
    1. There was no death punishment in medieval Russia since the moment of its basing at 862 till 1398. I hope you have not forgotten Russian, so read "Russkaya Pravda" ( If you do not know, this is the medieval Russian code of laws ). http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/RP/
    2. Elizabeth of Russia did not execute anybody at 1754 and at any other years of its reign. She did not use death punishment since the moment of her crowning at 1741. At 1754 she has issued the decree which legislatively has replaced the death punishment by the exile to Siberia. This decree operated till 1832. For this time it was broken 4 times only in extraordinary events: at 1764 - execution of Mirovich, at 1771 execution of murderers of archbishop Amvrosiy, in 1775 - execution of Yemelyan Pugachov and his accomplices, at 1825 execution of 5 decembrists.
    Is this strange more than 600 years without death punishment for the completely bloody history? Isn't it?
     
  4. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    How did Catherine the Great die?
     
  5. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    There is a trite myth as if she has died in the age of 67 years when copulated with a horse. Indeed she has died of heart attack behind a desk in own cabinet. Catherine the Great like all great people draws myths. Though she really had many favorites.

    There is a myth about the death of Peter the Great. As if he has died of a syphilis. Indeed the main reason of his death was the illness of kidneys.
     
  6. Rexody

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    All countries will face such chalenges in the nearest future that only leaders like Putin would be able to save the countries.
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

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    I like the myth of the German Empress of the Russians having an equestrian accident better than I like the truth.
     
  8. Rexody

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    So what?

    Want to talk about perverts among kings and presidents in other countries?
     
  9. raymondo

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    Whether "KGB Agent "is a real Poster , or just someone paid and helpful to the FSB , is academic ( they have plants on most Forums of any judged significance ) . For sure , he knows nothing about the place , judged by his words or what is happening , wherever he may live !!
    Putin's level of approval has been falling steadily and now is in the mid fifties . Even the Russians have had enough of his phoney photo shoots and desperate Botox attempts to look young . His continued philandering and alleged dreadful treatment of his wife Lyudmila are of less importance as such behaviour is so common and widespread among Russian men -- for a variety of reasons .
    As a footnote , the women outnumber men in the Vladivostok region by 62% to 38% .
    I cannot see any revolution "Soon" , because now the Security State Forces and the Government are one and the same thing .Putin has created a Fascist State with almost no independent Media source--- that is , not State owned or run without huge Government and FSB interference and/or control .
    And the State and Security Forces are a ruthless bunch , where intimidation and a beating are the least of your worries if you speak seriously against them publicly .
    And still the ordinary Russian person is the country's worst own enemy .Russia has spawned a succession of ruling monsters and violent systems over the last few hundred years . Now it is as though Russians have lost the will to fight and are unimpressed by criticisms of " cowardice and lack of bravery" , -- preferring the option of staying alive , along with families and friends . Not unreasonable .
    The bulk of ordinary Russians are completely uninterested in politics , economics and high finance . They will all tell you ,
    " How is this related to my life ? How will it help me with my daily problems etc "
    It's like trying to push water uphill . And understandable because outside of the top 5% , say , there is widespread poverty approaching third world levels mixed with immense health problems and where working conditions are appalling -- the infrastructure is falling to pieces and even Putin's personal Theft Chest ( known as Gazprom) needs tens of billions spending on it , starting with pipe lines that are falling to pieces .
    Margo believes Putin is all about business and pipelines . Well there is always room for a new opinion but if there is one thing generally agreed on ,it is that Putin has not the remotest idea what business is and should be etc .
    As for her disbelief about Putin bumping off a whole variety of people , All I can say to her is :-
    In a Vertical Power system nothing can ever be done without Putin's agreement or by one of his seconds without his implied agreement . To argue otherwise is to not understand the model on which the Federation is built .
    To believe that Putin's hands are clean is on a par with praising Ghadaffi or Mugabe -- except Putin's crimes are probably far greater and by a long way .

    For starters .
     
  10. Potap

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    There is a beautiful myth about Russian emperor Alexander I. He has come to power at 1801 after murdering of his father Paul I. So there is a myth as if Alexander had remorses concerning his arrival for a throne. So he has not died at 1825, instead of him was buried the false monarch. After some time in Siberia there was the person, the full copy of Alexander I, but the man called himself Fyodor Kuzmich, he took monastic vows and became known throughout Siberia as holy old man. Attempting in this way to atone the sin of parricide.
     
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    Yes. I am an agent. You will find polonium in your cup tommorow morning. Dosvidania! :mrgreen:
    Stop contradicting yourself in single statement.

    Oh, look, we have another "retard team" crew member.
    Educate yourself.
    http://wciom.ru/index.php?id=172
    By 4-th November 60% was approving Putin's (prime-minister) actions and 28% disapproving. Get over it with your load of BS,hater.
     
  12. EvilAztec

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    This is an old anecdote, boring. I tell you another anecdote, about another country, about Latvia. In itself, this country is an anecdote.
    Now anecdote:

    Eurostat: Latvia’s population to sink by 2060
    Andris Straumanis http://latviansonline.com/news/article/4675/

    On the bright side, think of the elbow room: By 2060, if one or more demographic trends are not reversed, the population of Latvia will have plummeted to less than 1.7 million, according to a new European Union forecast.

    The forecast, released Aug. 26 by the EU’s Luxembourg-based Eurostat service, puts Latvia second only to Bulgaria for the greatest percent loss in population over the next five decades. By 2060, Latvia could see almost a 26 percent decline to 1.682 million inhabitants, compared to Bulgaria, which stands to lose about 28 percent of its population.

    If the prediction holds true, Latvia would become the fifth smallest country in the EU. It currently is the sixth smallest, based on a population of about 2.27 million at the start of this year.

    The Eurostat forecast blames Latvia’s predicament on a combination of a low birth rate, a death rate that will continue to outpace births, and continued emigration. The last time Latvia’s population fell so low was in the wake of World War I. Almost 1.6 million inhabitants were counted in Latvia in the 1920 census.

    The 1989 census recorded more than 2.66 million inhabitants in Latvia—the highest number ever.

    In all, Latvia and 13 other EU member states are expected to lose population over the next five decades. Thirteen other countries, as well as non-EU members Norway and Switzerland, will see gains. Germany, with 82 million inhabitants, is the most populous EU member now, but by 2060 it is expected to lose more than 11 million persons. The United Kingdom, meanwhile, will grow from 61 million to become the largest nation with more than 76 million inhabitants in 2060, the Eurostat survey predicts.

    Besides the overall numbers, another concern for Latvia’s policymakers could well be the aging population. Persons age 65 and older now make up just more than 17 percent of the population, but by 2060 that is expected to double to about 34 percent, the study reported. However, this will not be a uniquely Latvian issue as similar trends are expected across the EU.

    The other Baltic countries are expected to see population declines as well. Estonia will slide from about 1.34 million at the beginning of this year to 1.13 million by 2060, according to Eurostat. Lithuania will drop from 3.36 million to about 2.55 million

    p.s. add that on 31 December 2010 Latvia Debt - external $39.93 billion. What is a tiny country so that it exists as an independent state only in the diseased imagination of the nationalists.
     
  13. Potap

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    Read more about KGB - FSB at this forum. http://www.politicalforum.com/russia-eastern-europe/141278-kgb-fsb-forum.html :mrgreen:
     
  14. KGB agent

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    Well...you can't expect more from nazi (*)(*)(*)(*)hole like Latvia. Since 1/4 of population have already left this so-called "state" I assume Eurostat is just too optimistic.
     
  15. EvilAztec

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    They hate russians, but look at this

    Latvia should express solidarity and accept more refugees
    "The European Commissioner for Home Affairs, Cecilia Malmström, requests Latvia to accept more refugees. She emphasizes that next time a war could take place somewhere closer than for example in Libya, and that Latvia should express more solidarity towards refugees. According to the Commissioner, the EU cannot force Latvia to accept refugees, but as the Latvian Government has agreed on the common asylum system in Europe, it should also show initiative in these issues and take in more refugees."
    http://www.unhcr.is/en/media/baltic-and-nordic-headlines/2011/july/12-13-july-2011.html

    Time to pay the bills
     
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    As we say in English , KGB Agent , you are " quite a card' .
    I can see how unpleasant it is to have facts quoted at you but on top of that it was genuinely rib tickling to see that your source of rebuttal is Russian official figures .
    The currency of anything backed with that authority is Zilch , or, Sub Zero , if you are shivering in Siberia in Bratsk or Irkutsk and have not met the expression before .
    I suppose the time I gave Putin his last chance was when he repudiated the existence of his birth mother , now living in Georgia , after he had his "Official Version" parents both "die" of Cancer within a matter of 3 weeks ( from memory) and just before his Biography was released before the 2000 Presidential election .
    Shame that both bodies were cremated before you could blink and no records remain .
    Unfortunately he could not get rid of his angry and grieving real Mother who gave several interviews to Russian TV channels -- they are on the Net if you search .
    I expect all of that is wicked propaganda . Not .
     
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    That is incorrect. It is mostly inferiority complex, common for all former rogue states and failed states around our borders.

    Well, no wonder, since EU suffering from it's own "Arabic Revolution" support. Of course EU don't want to annoy citizens of real powerhouse of EU like Germany, France, and, maybe GB, Italy and Benilux with lots of migrants. It is much safer to send them all to lapdogs' territory.
     
  18. raymondo

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    I think others are perfectly capable of making up their minds and they will do precisely that .
    Of course it is possible that you are such a novice that you have never actually been alerted to the materials I allude to .
    Regarless , your best bet is to keep stum or get in somebody more on the ball . Quick .
    You are way out of your depth .
     
  19. Potap

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    Indeed Putin has arrived from Mars. He has three parents, he drinks kerosene for a breakfast and esteems a devil. The sensational secret which he hides.
     
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    Putin, get out now!
    Abedin Ben Ali, Mubarak, Kadaffi, you'll be next.
    Wake up, Russia, let the arab spring become worldwide.

    From Russia with love,
    *aggressive opposition opinion.
     
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    We are not arabs.
     
  22. raymondo

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    But , as ever , you could learn from brave example .
    I guess ordinary Russians have become cowards compared to the courageous peoples of North Africa . I appreciate that the Russian Police State and Government are one and the same thing , but how long before one great martyr appears , ready to "burn to death" in Red Square?
     
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    Unfortunately Russia has no one chance to survive longer as ten years, the Regime of Putin will kill it and broke in many parts. Everything is destroyed and damaged; there are neither army nor economy nor civil society; only mafia, KGB and corrupted officials. It is wasting of time to try change anything in Russia, if you have sound mind that you should flee from Russia, otherwise .... you know yourselves what would happen in Russia soon.That is a reason why I do not discuss about Russia since a long time.Or probably you should begin to study Chinese, Kasahish or Turks language because many parts of Russia will go to China, Kazakhstan or Turkey.
     
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    What's Kasahish?
     
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    I think the language of Kazakhstan is Kazachish.
     
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