Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

>>>MOD EDIT RULE 5/8<<<The rebels were more than happy to cooperate with international investigators. Ukraine refused a cease fire. As a matter of fact, the Ukrainian side intensified military operations in the area.


Rebels to 'guarantee safety' of MH17 crash site monitors if Ukraine agrees to truce

AFP, Donetsk
| Updated: Jul 20, 2014 15:01 IST

http://www.hindustantimes.com/mh17/anger-towards-russia-grows-over-mh17-crash/article1-1242492.aspx

 

Nice bit of prose.

 

Several sources were and are free, released via ICAO and other sources
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a) Preliminary report of the Dutch Safety Board
(this is based on data&#8217;s of several sources again)
b) Updating report of the Dutch Safety Board on their Website Link: http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/2049/investigation-crash-mh17-17-july-2014
c) several minor sources as Flight Aware or FlightRadar24

Whoever blocked the entry here at least out of whatever reason &#8230; there is one fact undeniable:
Why were the corpses being recovered BY THE REBELS and being transported to citiy of Torsa which is under full control of Rebels only?
Why was the area of impact looted &#8230; being under control of Rebels?

These are no lies at all, because these are actions done and confirmed by Rebel Forces.

 

Sometimes the posters believe the press releases because of naivete, but many times they know better, and are using lies and name calling to discredit anyone who presents an honest, intelligent and rational viewpoint running contrary to their agenda. It's manipulation which I detest, so as to brain wash others.

 

the rebels brought down the plane, and admitted so early on

they prevented full access to the investigators.

 

I looked at the site. Seems like something made up by the CIA...Hmmm, or maybe by Kiev? Very amateurish.

Maybe because the corpses were sitting there for weeks since no one was brave enough other than the Freedom Fighters to enter the area when it was under attack by the Ukrainian forces? A little gratitude here, since they were risking their lives to do what no one else was willing to do because of the continuous attacks from Kiev. How about this question. Why wasn't Kiev willing to stop their attacks, so the investigators could reach the accident and remove the bodies? Were they trying to destroy as much evidence as they could?

I have a better question, why do the Nazi contingents and the National guards rob and loot the homes of the people they're torturing and killing in Donbas?

 

Jeannette ... please!!!
Not everything that doesn't share your opinion and thoughts / point of view is conspiracy, CIA and whatever else! This is official Dutch Safety Board. PLEASE ... don't tell some crap of Western conspiracy bull**** about.

And it wasn't weeks here, we are talking here for few days between day of cras and overhandling corpses by the rebels in the city.

Finally ... what the hack has looting of Ukrainian Militia (and Nazi or not Nazi does not matter) to fo with looting of a crash area here? Should it be some silly sort of excuse of one crime to other crime or what?

 

wow, so everything that conflicts with your pre-conceived ideas of truth is "CIA"????

i think you're confusing the USA with Russia.

 

its kinda silly.

everything that doesn't support Russia's propaganda, is CIA?

lol

 

The rebels were the ones who held the territory, prevented anyone from entering the crash site and looted from the dead corpses.

 

they thought it was a Ukrainian transport. they announced it on Twitter.

they told this to Russian media, who announced the same.

then they realized it was a passenger plane.

uh oh

 

I like old guard. They bring at least some sanity to the USA media space. However powers that be strategically isolated them so they cannot reach wider masses. You've got to give them the credit for trying to inject some sort of common sense and rational thought into U.S media space.

U.S. Intelligence Officials Demand that Obama Release MH-17 Intel
Posted on July 22, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/obama-should-release-mh-17-intel.html

 

there is no evidence that the USA is withholding any info.

but we know the MH 17 investigators complained that the Donetsk rebels have made access very difficult.

 

You're repeating the MSM spin. There were continuous attacks by Kiev, (or Kolomoisky's forces) which made it dangerous for the investigators to enter the site. In the end the Freedom Fighters were forced to collect the bodies themselves and send them out of the site so they could be shipped to Amsterdam. They also had to collect the people's belongings and ship them as well. As for looting, I'm sure there was. If not by the fighters, then by the civilians living there...who probably lost everything from the bombing.

I'm sure the looting wasn't serious, since Strelkov was still in charge, and he shot one of his men for stealing. If you recall the MSM made a big thing of it at the time, but I found out more recently that the first volunteers were criminals, so there was probably a lot of it going on. He also prohibited the men from drinking, and other vices. Strelkov was very puritanical.

 

Actually, it was a Youtube video, of the burning wreckage and dead passengers. Both the looting and the keeping anyone else away from the site. If it has been mentioned in the media, I dont recall.

 

The first sources I go on to is RT and Sputnik. I won't touch the MSM and I'm not the only one. I mean let's face it, you read one source and you're read them all. I read that they're losing readers and money and they're freaking out about it. Washington is also losing the propaganda war...and maybe that's the problem. If they would stop denigrating and accusing RT of propaganda, and started telling the truth themselves without the spin, then maybe....

Anyway there are some brilliant sites I go on to as well such as: Craig Roberts, Moon of Alabama, Washingtonsblog, Robert Parry, Global Research, and others as well.

 

why would you trust Russian funded and controlled media????

 

The problem Jeanette, is that the powers that be know and understand that there is seepage in terms of the MSM believability, but they also know that the great majority have been trained and educated to accept as truth what has persistently been drummed into them since their schooldays -- to the point it having become second nature. Those of us who have had the scales knocked off our eyes remain a tiny minority. It's a numbers game.

But I also agree that it is also a time game and one that is slowly coming to an end. Increasing numbers of people are becoming un-blinkered.

For me, the last place I daily visit for news is the BBC and Sky, and often not those at all. I never read a newspaper but sometimes do get pointed towards certain articles and/or the output of certain excellent journalists - who are a dying breed and who I believe constantly fight against the system to get the truth out.

Speaking personally, I would add to your list Voltaire.net and Thierry Meyssan - an excellent French journo - and also the Narcosphere, Counterpunch etc., all of whom are great sources for information and facts. Peter Dale Scott is always a required read, although his out put is limited these days.
MOD EDIT>>>Rule 3<<<

 

i cant wait for the final report to come out.

Putin will be very embarrased, and the rebels will look like murderers.

 

MOD EDIT>>>Rule 3<<<

Here is a documentary with actual interviews of witnesses who saw MH17 being shot down. If Washington had any real evidence, the case would have been solved in one week...but obviously they don't. What appalls me is the dishonesty, especially Kerry who as a lawyer is supposed to protect the innocent from being falsely accused, and instead he did the opposite. He prejudiced the case by accusing the Donbas Freedom Fighters for shooting it down, and Washington's medias all followed suit by blasting the lies all over the world.

[video=youtube;YxQ8WZySFJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxQ8WZySFJI&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

Russia knows that the rebels did it.

the Russian media even proudly announced the downing of a Ukrainian transport jet over Donetsk, right after MH17 went down.

now, I don't think they did it on purpose. I am an honest person, so therefore I think they made a huge mistake, and shot down MH 17 in error. I don't think they intended to murder hundreds of innocent people.

but they still need to be punished for their idiocy.

 

It's really sad for them if they were responsible and have been trying to cover it up all this time. That's far worse than taking responsibility and making amends right away.

 

most likely, they did it.

and the Dutch will provide a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of evidence.

all the rebels will have as a response, are silly and paranoid conspiracy theories.

 

Conspiracy Theories is right. I worry about all these posters who seem to have a downright religious view of Russia and the eastern Ukrainian rebels, such that they could never be guilty of anything, no matter the evidence. Any attempt to blame them and demonstrate their guilt in this or any other matter simply must be a conspiracy!

You know I don't trust the US government and their claims at all, but there's no way I'd sit here and pretend that these rebels are a bunch of heroes and angels either. Far as I'm concerned, there are lots of scumbags at work on both sides of Ukraine's civil war.

 

Huh???