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Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by Ronstar, Jul 15, 2015.

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Funny thing is, just as it can be manufactured, it can also be hidden or destroyed.

    I think cannon fire and AAM took down MH17.
     
    Eleuthera, Jul 18, 2015
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  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol!!!!

    the maker of the BUK missile says it was shot down by a BUK missile.

    u calling him a liar?
     
    Ronstar, Jul 18, 2015
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  3. ararmer1919

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    My daughters think the characters from My Little Pony are real. I guess if you tap your heals together 3 times and say "I do believe in fairies" it will come true.
     
    ararmer1919, Jul 18, 2015
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  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    years ago, when I asked my sister for evidence that 9-11 was an inside job and the WTC was brought down by explosives, she said "the evidence could have been removed!!"

    :roflol:
     
    Ronstar, Jul 18, 2015
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  5. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, but aren't Leprechauns real? So many stories the government tells need Leprechauns in order to be true.

    Maybe it was a Leprechaun pilot that put that cannonfire into the cockpit of MH17?

    But if the Dutch keep the facts and evidence hidden, well.....

    - - - Updated - - -

    I hadn't seen that story, have you a link by chance?
     
    Eleuthera, Jul 18, 2015
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  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Dutch will soon release their final report.

    it will blame the russian rebels, for accidentally shooting down the plane with a BUK missile.

    they will provide lots of evidence to support their findings.

    and russian-supporters will deny all of it. :)
     
    Ronstar, Jul 18, 2015
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  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All this would be solved if Washington would show its photos. The American satellite was right above. Hey Russia showed their satellite images, how about it Obama? :roll:

    Notice how as lawyers Obama and Kerry did exactly what they are not supposed to do so that the innocent can be protected, and immediately accused the Freedom Fighters and Putin for the shoot down. By doing so they used their knowledge as lawyers to manipulate others into believing the innocent as being guilty even though they couldn't present any proof. If they had proof they would have given it. Instead Kerry said: 'Trust me'.

    Basically Washington believed they had the respect and authority to make a lie believable without showing proof, and by doing so lost the little authority they had left. I would think that the lack of integrity in Washington would sicken everyone's stomach. It does mine.

     
    Jeannette, Jul 18, 2015
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    ararmer1919 Banned

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    What evidence has the Dutch hidden?
     
    ararmer1919, Jul 18, 2015
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    Which of course as you said will all be denied by the Russian trolls as "CIA manufactured"
     
    ararmer1919, Jul 18, 2015
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    What part of "RUSSIA DID THE EXACT SAME THING AT THE EXACT SAME TIME" do you not understand. Why is it that me and ronstar have said this 20 times now today and not one of you will even acknowledge it? How bout you put your money where your smart mouth is and explain this? You won't. You don't get paid to speak truths.

    PS. You mean that fake Russian satellite photo all your medias were running with that was proven to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing photoshopped!!!! Yup. Russian state owned media. The epitome of honesty. Presenting fake photos as "evidence".
     
    ararmer1919, Jul 18, 2015
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  11. Jeannette

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    It was Washington's propaganda from this tragedy, that caused the EU to sanction Russia. What a bunch of dopes. Anyone with an ounce of brains would have known immediately from the accusations against Russia and Putin, that Washington was to blame. If Washington had one bit of proof, they would have shown it immediately and they wouldn't have had to resort to lies and spins.

    Hmmm, I guess they're not all dumb:

    [video=youtube;jSOfQ7tgTLg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSOfQ7tgTLg[/video]
     
    Jeannette, Jul 19, 2015
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    what about the conspiratorial accusations against The West made by Russian media right after MH17 went down?
     
    Ronstar, Jul 19, 2015
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  13. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, as it's been playing out over the last 12 months, the Dutch "report" will be about as accurate as the Warren Commission report. :yawn:
     
    Eleuthera, Jul 19, 2015
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    Russia released their satellite images throughout the world and keeps asking Washington to release theirs, but to no avail. One thing is certain, if Washington had any proof that the Donbass Freedom Fighters shot down the plane, the case would have been closed in a week...Obviously they don't.

    I don't know if Washington had anything to do with this false flag, or if it was a Kiev radical like Kolomoisky, but fifty years ago the Pentagon Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Lemnitzer prepared a false flag of this type. Jack Kennedy refused it.

    The classic blueprint for MH17 was not dreamt-up by Russian war planners, but by the Pentagon – over 50 years earlier. A clandestine plan known as Operation Northwoods, was similarly conjured in 1962 by the US Department of Defense’s Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) and the CIA in front of a Cold War backdrop pitting the United States against then Soviet ally Cuba, led by Fidel Castro.

    The plan was signed off by then JCS Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and detailed how spooks would use prepositioned explosives to blow-up a passenger airliner over Cuba, blaming it on Cuba and by extension – Washington’s arch-nemesis the Soviet Union.

    This ‘false flag’ attack would then be used as valuable leverage in a global public opinion campaign against Washington’s existential and ideological enemies. They also talked about developing a “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington”. Fortunately, the deceptive plot was eventually rejected by the Kennedy administration.
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    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/07/1...pened-and-why/
     
    Jeannette, Jul 19, 2015
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol.....you believe that?
     
    Ronstar, Jul 19, 2015
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    Nobody believes in decent investigation of Dutches, already now. It was necessary to entrust Chinese it, initially.
     
    Kiwi33, Jul 19, 2015
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  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol....would you trust the report if it said it was a NATO false-flag attack to assassinate Putin?
     
    Ronstar, Jul 19, 2015
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    Such report will be only if to take hostage all western leaders. It is possible?
     
    Kiwi33, Jul 20, 2015
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  19. Ivan88

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    One thing we know about MH-17:
    That the US blamed Russia and NovoRussia without any witnesses faithful to the Truth.
    But, then, anybody with even a hint of honesty and awareness, knows that the US is a habitual liar.

    MOD EDIT - Off Topic
     
    Ivan88, Jul 20, 2015
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  20. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    First of all, there are no any "Russian terrorists". The people who fight in their land against Euro-Ukrainian Nazis are not terrorists. They do not bomb Kiev or Lvov, they do not kill children and oldmen in Rovno or Vinnitsa. They are at their homeland.

    Second, the official investigation is not over yet. There are no any official conclusion on who shot down the airplane.

    Third, why wouldn't Russia accuse the west? Who arranged, supported and encouraged the forces which overthrew the legitimate president Yanukovich? The west is completely responsible for violent change of power, the coup d'etat, the blood and death in Kiev, in Odessa, in Donbass finally. Crowds of ambassadors, ministers, diplomats, politicians from western countries walked on Maidan during so-called revolution, they openly supported the protesters and openly joined their anti-government activities.

    So, why the Ukrainian president does not demand international tribunal for all Donbass but just for MH17 crash? I can remind you, the Ukrainian artillery started to shell Donetsk when the mayor of this city appointed by Kiev still was there. Who started to use artillery? Who started to use military airplanes? Who started to use ballistic missiles? Who bombed Donetsk airport first?

    Oh, this is great explanation. That explanes all! Of course there will be innocent casualties. So, the MH17 - they are "of course innocent casualties". So, why this outrage? They are - "of course". Then take it and keep calm, why you don't?

    I'll tell you what. USSR declared state of war with Germany on June 22, 1941. USSR did not ask Germany for discount on gas supplies. USSR did not ask Germany neither about new credits, nor about old debts postponements. And Stalin did not sell candies in Germany in 1941! That was real invasion.
     
    MrFirst, Jul 20, 2015
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MH 17 shot down by rebels.

    we will all know this truth soon.
     
    Ronstar, Jul 20, 2015
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    MrFirst, Jul 20, 2015
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you already made up your mind.
     
    Ronstar, Jul 20, 2015
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    As far as I can see the Russian MH17 resolution draft is perfectly all right. I don't see anything wrong with their resolution. Why would anyone with clear conscience reject the Russian resolution draft?

    Russia submits rival MH17 resolution draft
    http://www.dw.com/en/russia-submits-rival-mh17-resolution-draft/a-18596856

     
    Silver Surfer, Jul 21, 2015
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  25. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why would anyone with a clear conscience reject the resolution submitted by the Dutch and Malaysians?
     
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