Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/mh17-pro-russian-missile-crash-ukraine/index.html

Dutch investigators have released draft report on downing of MH 17. It blames the Russian rebels in eastern Ukriane. This is based on researched trajectory of missile that hit the plane and who the territory was controled by at the time.

It's been nearly one year since 298 people were killed after a commercial passenger plane broke up over the Ukraine.

U.S. officials concluded Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was struck by a missile and shot out of the sky. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident.

Dutch accident investigators say, evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report.

The Malaysian Airlines flight went down in the Donetsk area of Ukraine. According to two sources with knowledge of the investigation, a draft of an investigative report authored by the Dutch Safety Board, the lead agency in the investigation, has been distributed for review to numerous agencies around the world including the National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing.

The draft investigative report is several hundred pages long. According to one source close to the investigation the draft report included the exact type of missile used to bring down MH17 and the trajectory of the missile.

 

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was there any real doubt that this would be the conclusion?

right after MH17 went down, the rebels boasted about downing a big Ukrainian plane on twitter.

turned out it was a passenger plane, and they quickly removed the Tweet. But the record of it was saved.

we know they did it, with a BUK missile, fired from rebel-held territory.

 

Very funny. "... We have irrefutable proof, but we do not show them to you." Very funny.

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 3 The final report with all data and evidence won't be released tell October. What part of that don't you get?

 

have you even read the draft report?

of course not.

 

It really makes little difference. The Russian Rebels thought it was a Ukrainian war-plane and fired the missile.

As per the report, civilian planes should not have been flying over that region to begin with. What was not stated in the article was that Kiev is also partly to blame for not properly warning away civilian aircraft.

In any case, it is not like such mistakes have not happened before. The US has accidentally shot down Civilian aircraft.

The only real clown show here was the US blaming Russia minutes after it happened.

 

Just like how Russia was blaming Kiev and even the CIA minutes afterward. Funny funny (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

For sure. Propaganda machines on both sides of the aisle in full swing.

In any case like this I try and find sources other than the two combatants. I often use the Canadian news (which still will has a US bias but is far more objective in relation to providing balance). The CBC.

I no longer have the year old link but what I read at the time is exactly what is coming out now. Screw-ups in relation to the plane being there in the first place... Kiev shares a large portion of the blame in this. And a mistakenly fired missile on the part of the Russian Rebels.

So much for a year of study.

 

i dont believe that they purposefully attacked a passenger plane.

 

Agreed.

Highly unlikely that they would do something like that on purpose ... it would serve no purpose. All it would do is bring international condemnation down on them and waste a good missile that could be used on planes trying do drop bombs on them.

Hmmmm .. Go figure Do I use this missile on some civilian aircraft for sharts and giggles or try and take down that plane that wants to drop a bomb on me ?

 

if the plane did turn out to be a military cargo jet, or one carrying hundreds of Ukrainian military personnel, the rebels would happily acknowledge their guilt.

 

The kremlin troll factory must be in overdrive mode right now, but no need to, a simple blame to a CIA agent who either conducted the investiagtion or...infiltrated the ukranian rebels and knowingly shot down a passenger plane so then they could blame them...come on now, the possibilities are limitless, it's your turn now...

 

Fault goes to the idiots who think flying over a warzone , is a good idea.

 

Of course ! Unfortunately it was a civilian aircraft which should not have been there.

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Its not like that would be the first false flag operation. Such is part and parcel of what the CIA and various other departments do best !

I think the simplest explanation, that the rebels made a mistake, is likely the correct one.

 

False flag for what? To show how much of an idiots russian backed rebels are? And yes, the simplest explanation is usely the correct one, specially in this case.

 

Bravo.
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When I heard the analysis of the report I remember hearing it was not conclusive, just the best they can do with what they have. No smoking gun.

We can only imagine the political pressures placed an editorializing conclusion.


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yup, a horrible mistake that they now don't have the honor or integrity to own up to.

not much of a surprise, as they are the Russian military, who are not known for their honor.

 

As I stated, I do not see this as a false flag.

At the same time, the "Kremlin Troll Machine" and/or the "Pentagon Troll Machine" should not be ruled out when events like this happen.

 

Certainly not. That said, its not like the US military is much different. Deny Distract, Demonize and Deny some more.

Then after demonizing the individual(s) who brought the truth to light, put them in a dark hole for the rest of their lives to dissuade others from doing the same.

 

It was not a mistake. The Kiev hijackers directed the plane to the point of execution.
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The passenger plane shoot down was very reminiscent of the false flag attack in Syria. In that case, the American backed terrorists were losing to the Syrian army and they needed an excuse so the Americans could bomb Damascus. The government immediately blamed the Syrian army even though Assad had everything to lose, and the terrorists had everything to gain.

Fortunately the people in Britain and US objected, and later evidence shows that the terrorists gassed their own people with the help of Turkey, in order to get the US to bomb Damascus.

In the plane shoot down, the Ukrainian army was cornered and was given an ultimatum to surrender with certain demands. In addition to that, the land the plane fell on had just been taken over by the militia. It was leased to be fracked and the Ukrainian government wasn't willing to give it up...and this is why the Ukrainian army kept firing at the militia and wouldn't allow the inspectors to reach the plane. The hope was that Nato would intervene and get the land back for them.

 

Wow a logical explanation ...... how refreshing.

 

I can't understand this thread, all the reports I read said that the Dutch investigators haven't disclosed the findings, so CNN is only repeating what Washington is telling them.

When Robert Parry of Consortium News asked an Intelligence agent why they will not disclose the truth to the American people, now that they know that it wasn't the Donbas militia, the agent told him that propaganda is all Washington has.

The suspicion in Russia was that the plane had been mistaken for the one Putin was in when coming back from Brazil. They were both the same size and had the same coloring. It was also in the vicinity, and the airliner was heading in the direction of the Russian air base.

I have here a video of a drunken Governor Kolomoisky answering questions about the plane. It was his company Burisma Holdings that was handing out big bucks in Washington to keep the blame on Putin for the shoot down of the airliner.

When Kolomoisky says in the video that they meant to hit one plane, but hit another one instead, is he referring to the plane that Putin was in?

[video=youtube;NrfKZUttEwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrfKZUttEwE[/video]

 

Moi, do you know that the US had a satellite right over the plane when it was shot down, and Russia keeps asking Washington to disclose the photos, but they refuse. Russia did show its satellite photos, and there was a fighter next to the airliner.

Besides that, there were witness' who saw one or two jets next to the liner, yet they were completely ignored by the Dutch investigators. Also they wouldn't allow the Malaysian government to be part of the investigation even though they owned the plane and had lost quite a few people. Yet the Ukrainian government was allowed when they were under suspicion of having shot down the plane.
It took a lot of pressure from the the Malaysian government to finally allow them to be part of an investigation...when they should have been the first ones. I don't know, maybe it has to do with Royal Dutch Shell, since it was in partnership to frack with Burisma Holdings.