Soviet union culture

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  1. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

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    Yeah, however I've not watched whole film, I liked it. It was curious and different from the others of Gaidai.

    Now of what I am interestd in watch, however it is not soviet, is Девять жизней Нестора Махно.
     
  2. EvilAztec

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    This serial was created not long ago, so, find this serial with subtitles still very difficult. May be on some DVD release, somewhere on the torrents
     
  3. Potap

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    Since I have started to make the list of my favourite comedies there already more than 150. So this list can be indefinitely long. What about " The Girls " "Devchata"? Also it is interesting to see from the point of view of the history of the Soviet cinematography the picture " Jolly Fellows ""Veselie rebyata". This is the first musical comedy 1934. And very popular pre-WWII film " Volga, Volga " 1938.
     
  4. EvilAztec

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    Here are another two good Soviet comedy "Сircus" "Цирк" 1936 , and "Springtime" "Весна" 1947.
     
  5. FROM THE USSR

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    The relationship is the same as in Shakespeare and J. K. Rowling

    I allow myself to continue your analogy to the marsh.

    In this swamp comes a man and trying to drain it. And was surprised to find that the frogs are outraged by this fact.
    How so? He exclaims.
    After all, I want to build a great McDonald's, the site of this awful swamp! Why did the frog against? And he really does not understand it is.
     
  6. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No - the Soviet culture was the result of a proletarian revolution which was taken over by a class-in-itself but not a class-for-itself as a result of the melting away of the actual Russian working class during the Intervention. This led to a complex period whild the new class was developing and beginning to define itself. It's origins, however, were in the working class, and it still depended on the international working class for survival. Its culture was therefore hybrid with, for a long time, quite strong proletarian elements. Compare the survival of the slave-owning culture in the American South long after slavery was abolished, or the use of Catholicism by unbelieving European ruling classes. Ideologican changes are often surprisingly slow.
     
  7. raymondo

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    Have the Russians yet managed to produce a good example to support the Topic title?
    I have been waiting and waiting , but hearing silence .
    I am thinking that the Culture has moved to Kazakhstan .And Georgia lives constantly in the limelight , now that there is a new dynamism there and people walk around smiling . In Russia they send you to Hospital if you smile too much .
     
  8. LenaSrb

    LenaSrb New Member

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    Any reasonable moderator will tell you to use basic feature- 'ignore' button or to block contact in order resolve your private problem.
    I still fail to understand how your privacy has anything to do with this topic or maybe it's part of your culture to publicly try to belittle other posters, in this case one lady.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAV8mVxjQA"]Socialist Realism - YouTube[/ame]
     
  9. LenaSrb

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    As a White Stone...

    As a white stone in the well's cool deepness,
    There lays in me one wonderful remembrance.
    I am not able and don't want to miss this:
    It is my torture and my utter gladness.

    I think, that he whose look will be directed
    Into my eyes, at once will see it whole.
    He will become more thoughtful and dejected
    Than someone, hearing a story of a dole.

    I knew: the gods turned once, in their madness,
    Men into things, not killing humane senses.
    You've been turned in to my reminiscences
    To make eternal the unearthly sadness.

    (Anna Akhmatova, Soviet modernist poet)

    LOL! It means you'd be safe to visit that country, Ray ;).
     
  10. raymondo

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    I have visited Hospitals in Moscow , Saratov , Krasnodar and Feodosia . Very interesting !!!!!!!!!! though I think the knowledge level of the Specialists is first rate .
    I hasten to add that in none of these instances had I been beaten up by the Police or FSB . I was lucky .

    This is not the first time I have had Anna's name offered proudly and I am sure she is a great Poet(ess) .
    However we need more to rescue the Soviet era from the cultural dustbin .
    I will help you . Shostakovich .In Painting I recall Leonov and Gerasimov but I have forgotten most names
     
  11. LenaSrb

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    I see... Interestingly enough, the very first post I made on 'Mother Russia' thread

    http://www.politicalforum.com/russia-eastern-europe/43052-mother-russia-4.html#post1715905
     
  12. raymondo

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    You were talking about Sergei Shostakovich the train driver , but I am talking about Dmitri , whom I have been listening to since before you were born . Though not non stop .
     
  13. General Winter

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    If there was no socialism in the USSR then there was no socialist ie proletarian revolution for the revolution is not a short-term seizure of power but a long process of revolutionary transformations of society.

    The whole point is that every new society in all its spheres including culture has "birthmarks" of the old.Your example only proves the fact that Soviet system was something new in comparison with capitalism,ie it was not capitalist.
     
  14. Sovietskaja Zenzina

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    Man with movie camera
    Made in 1929. Silent. Absolutely one of my favourite film. Values of social realism, artistic destination, to be honest I was dizzy after this film.

    Dziga Vertov's Man With A Movie Camera is considered one of the most innovative and influential films of the silent era.
    Startlingly modern, this film utilizes a groundbreaking style of rapid editing and incorporates innumerable other cinematic effects to create a work of amazing power and energy.
    Film pioneer Dziga Vertov uses all the cinematic techniques available at the time - dissolves, split screen, slow motion and freeze frames.
    http://archive.org/download/ChelovekskinoapparatomManWithAMovieCamera/ChelovekskinoapparatomManWithAMovieCamera.thumbs/Chelovek_s_kino-apparatom_000060.jpg
     
  15. Iolo

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    Capitalist societies have ruling classes, and as you know the Soviet Union - having been socialist and proletarian for a year or so - developed such a class which moved without trouble into first ruling State capitalism and then ruling monopoly capitalism instead. The main problem with Stalinism was a sort of pidgin-Marxism, and you are suffering from it I fear. What was the end of that 'long process of revolutionary transformations of society' other than the restoration of monopoly capitalism without serious class opposition? Think on!
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15-7XP7f4A&feature=related"]Man With A Movie Camera (Vertov Cinematic Orchestra) - YouTube[/ame]
     
  17. Potap

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    Culture is very big topic. Cinematography is one of its most appreciable parts. But we can discuss architecture and painting. I like Konstantin Vasilyev painting? It is a pity he has died too early. Cleanly Russian artist according to spirit which is known for works which cannot are attributed to socialist realism the style which was predominating in Soviet painting.
    Some of his works.

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    What do you think of the hospital on mountain Altynnaya in Saratov?
     
  19. General Winter

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    A nice capitalism,indeed, that epropriates millions of private owners,destryes market,private property and private production! And a nice idea of "a new class of owners" in the USSR,the "owners" who didn't own anything!

    Think a little:even if in Soviet Constitution was marked that all the means of production are owned by the bureacracy, it would not have changed anything - the means of production would still remain in public ownership,since in the absence of market the only goal of their work is the meeting needs of society.The connection of labor with the means of production would remain direct,the distribution of products, too, could only be directly social in nature.
     
  20. LenaSrb

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    Every train has it's stops Ray, therefore non-stop is not an option. I refuse to believe you alluded to anyone else but Prokofiev him self.
     
  21. Iolo

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    The party members owned the state and nobody controlled them, as you know. They were just like any priestly class in civilizations based on irrigation. 'Public owndership' is neither here nor there. In socialist societies, as you know, property belongs to the working class, and in the USSR, as in all capitalist societies, they were merely exploited labour, a 'cost' on their masters though they actually produced all value and were ground down to near-starvation, as is the aim of all capitalisms.
     
  22. raymondo

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    I don't remember visiting one on a mountain . This was a long mini bus ride from the city centre as I recall .
    It is better you don't ask me about the ward and room details which is what I saw .And endless corridors . I will simply say that they needed knocking down , and the beds were as uncomfortable as I have ever sat on .
    This is why i always tell people to shut up if they start moaning over here --- " if you don't stop criticising , I will have you sent to Russia, and then you will know what concentration camps are like . "
     
  23. raymondo

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    I remember Sergei Prokofiev dying about the same time as Stalin . I remember thinking , "It's turning out to be a good year . Two dead and a few more waiting"
    I count the Soviet era as starting then --- prior to that , it was the Stalin or Communist Era . So Prokofiev does not count as part of Soviet culture .
    Basically since the Patriotic War , as you call it , when half of Stalingrad became Cannibals , you have not produced a half decent composer .
    I think this is why so many Russians are coming to England -- they desperately need culture , and the capital of that world is London .
    I feel sure you will agree .
     
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    Communists already here))))))))
     
  25. EvilAztec

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    Communists everywhere and around. Welcome aboard !
     

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