'Tell Me Again, Why is showing Voter I.D. Considered Voter Suppression'!

Nope, that's what YOU THINK.

 

So LYNCHINGS are preventing that one in ten from obtaining photo ID? Or is it the KKK?

Meantime, NO ONE is being denied voting rights. EVERYONE is free to vote. Unless you think that 'technicalities' are a reason to overlook order? If so I want a Mercedes 4WD, but for 'reasons', I can't pay for it. Help me out?

 

Is he the one saying Black people have trouble getting ID?

 

Ok so you think they can get an id and use it to prove their identify to vote. Glad you agree that it’s not voter suppression

 

"And no one is going to stop them from learning how to read and write, why can't we have literacy tests to ensure that the people voting are good citizens"?-Some random southerner trying to defend the systemic denial of voting. Of course no one will stop them, because the responsibility doesn't lie with no one, but the system as a whole. Everyone in the system stops them from exercising their rights to vote.

If I say the denial of voting rights causes political violence, don't say lynchings cause the denial of voting rights. While not wrong, it fails to actually deal with what I'm saying. If the voting eligible population wants violence against a group of people, it really helps if said group can't sway elections by voting.

 

Nope, its still voter suppression.

 

They can sign their name and that enough. Your excuses for ignorance is mind blowing. You think very low of blacks and minorities.

 

Not at all. If they don’t have an id, they can get one. You’re pretending they aren’t allowed to have one.

 

NO ONE stops them. They choose not to avail themselves of the things other people chose to avail themselves of, and then complain about that choice as though it was someone else's fault. It's called 'buyer's remorse'.

 

You suggested lynchings were the reason people won't get ID. You need to mop up that mess, not me.

 

Explain EXACTLY how it works. Show us what law or force prevents people from obtaining ID.

 

How in the hell does even a homeless person live without ID in today's world?

 

They don't. It's all BS.

There would be some rare instances, but jeez what are the chances those rare individuals are going to be living in a cave far away from helpful friends/family/neighbours etc, and far away from all technology. Slim to none, which makes their whole argument as convincing as any which uses a million to one odds.

 

It's a poor argument and I don't know how they left has continued it for this long without realizing how foolish it is, but I guess it's not beneath them. Black and minorities apparently can't use the internet or get an i.d. according to dems.

 

Your argument just switched gears, now it's due to not being able to read and write? (Earlier in this same thread, you blamed it on lynchings) Interesting that you think blacks and minorities cannot read and write, but anyway, they will have to do the same thing they have to do in any other situation, ask for help. And the only thing they actually have to do is sign for it so not much they have to read but we both know if there was something to read, they could ask the clerk to read it for them. (Wouldn't they also have to ask for help in order to VOTE??) If someone in this day and age cannot read or write, they are probably used to asking for help. Ok, let's see what you come up with next.

 

"Ring around the the Rosy, Pocket full of...", that's ALL you're gonna get from 'em here.

 

Tell Me Again, Why is showing Voter I.D. Considered Voter Suppression'!
It makes if much harder for non-citizens to vote. Much harder for illegals to vote. Much harder for someone to vote more than once. Much harder to harvest made up ballots. Much harder to mail in anonymous votes. All very strong Democrat constituents..

 

Then those people should be too obscure to receive any type of welfare as well!

 

What other argument can you possibly have? Racist whites and Uncle Toms can do it and they seem to be the big threat to you, why can't minorities and illegal aliens do it as well? ID is required to get into the Democrat Convention.....is that political suppression?

 

Wisconsin ID card for voting purposes - petition process

 

There are tons of videos just like this. They are hard to find if you use Google, but come right up on other search engines.

Watch and see what Democrats really think about blacks.

 

So the 'elderly' don't collect Social Security?

Documents to Collect Before You Apply for Social Security | Social Security | US News

Learn what documents you will need to get a Social Security Card | SSA

 

Personal insult noted. Clean up your language, then I'll respond.

You're right. No one stops them. But everyone stops them. It's not buyer's remorse, it's systemic denial of voting by placing high barriers to voting. It might seem easy for you, but that doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.

Denial of voting rights leads to political violence. My position has been stated again and again. I don't know where you're getting "political violence leads to denial of voting rights" from. It's not "wrong" because it's a chicken or egg situation. But I'm still clearly saying political violence is caused by the lack of voting rights. So what do you want me to do? Prove something I didn't say?

No, I just proved I didn't blame it on lynchings. I said lynchings were an effect, not cause. Though in a way they are too.

Also personal insult noted.

Now let's get to what you're saying. Why were literacy tests still bad?
1. Pride, the point of voting is to bring pride to citizenship, not shame.
2. It's not secure.
3. There are ways to deal with with this without asking for help, like what they do in countries with high illiteracy rates-they put symbols down on the paper. Just mark that.

Oh yes, I was wondering when the "wait a minute! If I can deny voting rights, I can deny them citizenship rights completely!" argument was going to come in. Kinda surprised it didn't come in sooner. Good on the right for avoiding that argument.

K. And what does that have to do with what I'm saying? Is that proof of administrative fatigue?

 

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Identification Card
To prove your identity, you can show one of several documents. A U.S. driver's license, a state-issued non-driver identification card or a U.S. passport can be used for your identity verification. If you don't have one of these documents, you can use a U.S. military identification card, an employee identification card, a school identification card or a health insurance card.
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Your link.

You don't need photo proof to prove who you are. I have health insurance card, and I would be able to use that if applying. Doesn't have my photo on it. Thank you for proving that.

And even then, just because it has your face on it, doesn't mean it is 'acceptable photo id', as was the case in NC.

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Schools, colleges, and universities were required to submit a request to the State Board of Elections to have their ID cards approved for use as valid IDs. More than 70 institutions had their cards approved, but many more did not submit a request or had their ID cards rejected.

Some institutions believed that they could not meet the statutory requirements, which imposed a significant burden on the schools.

The new law said that school leaders had to attest that the ID card photos were taken by the school, or by a contractor hired by the school, or a government agency. If that was not the case, they could be charged with perjury. Students were prevented from providing their own photos. If the student was using their passport for identification, that photo would have been provided by the student, not an approved source.

Schools also had to confirm a student's identity at the time of enrollment by checking their Social Security number, citizenship status, and birthday. While some colleges do this, some do not, and some have a different means of confirming identity.

The result was that students were turned away from the polls. And those schools whose identification cards were rejected were told they could not reapply for approval until 2021."
https://www.findlaw.com/voting/how-...-/voter-suppression-and-college-students.html

 

You didn't read the article did you? It's how to get an ID without a birth certificate.