'Tell Me Again, Why is showing Voter I.D. Considered Voter Suppression'!

You literally just asked me to define 'access'. So I did. Don't like? Argue why it's a bad definition. Don't whine about it.

 

You claimed it was factual.. I am asking you to support it.

You claimed 1/4 of Blacks did not have access to ID.. Back it up and explain why other races do not face such issues..

Go.

 

Hmm.. He ran a program that actively illegally sold guns to non citizens. A crime that could still be prosecuted. He openly violated the law, and the rights of millions of american citizens. He should be in jail.

 

I still do not understand is "My People" comment either... Last i knew he was put into office as the Attorney General.. Not the Black Attorney General.

 

Why, the DMV also provides a legal ID that looks almost identical to a DL but for for identification only..

 

I did. My first post. It was fact checked via politifact. It got a mostly true reading. Unless you want me to prove it to some criteria you need to spell out more, I'm satisfied with my explanation. I've lived it, it makes sense to me, and I can empathize with people living in similar conditions.

And? What's your point? Oh no, he did something you don't like? Oh no! Cancel him! Cancel him good!

 

And that's false. African Americans aren't as stupid as you think they are. They can get ID's, they can use the internet, and they can have a bank account. Geez. This is ridiculous.

 

Helps if you read it.. Its supported supposedly by this
"In a January 2012 fact check, we rated Mostly True a claim by Democratic U.S. Reps. Steny Hoyer of Maryland and John Lewis of Georgia that up to "one in four African Americans do not carry the necessary forms of identification to vote" under the conditions of state photo ID laws.

At the time, we noted that the figure originated in a 2006 survey by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University’s School of Law."

And this survey

"Back to the nationwide data: The center’s 2006 survey reached by telephone 987 U.S. citizens of voting age, asking them questions including, "Do you have a current, unexpired government-issued ID with your picture on it, like a driver’s license or a military ID?"


Hell they admit that

"Overall, according to the survey, 11 percent of voting-age Americans did not have current government-issued photo ID. Among African Americans, 25 percent did not have such ID, compared to 8 percent of whites. Not enough Hispanics were surveyed to reach reliable conclusions about that subgroup, the center said."


So first off many people do not "carry" the Reqs to get a License or State ID on them i keep my SS card and Birth Certificate at home.

And second a ****ing small survey from years ago?





"Before the 2008 presidential election, researchers from the University of Washington and other schools carried out a national telephone survey of 4,563 registered voters. In the survey, 10 percent of blacks, 11 percent of Hispanics and 5 percent of whites said they did not have a valid driver's license or an ID issued by their home state.

Another survey, reaching 10,000 registered voters via phone and Internet after the 2008 election, included questions about driver’s license ownership by race. In an Aug. 30, 2011, blog post, Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Charles Stewart III said responses showed that 19 percent of black respondents and 3 percent of whites did not have a driver’s license. In his blog post, Stewart did not break out results for Hispanic respondents."

Many people in cities do not drive however can get a State ID which functions the same.


Can you show how those Surveys mention "access"?

 

I don't recall saying they're stupid. I'm saying they face systemic barriers to voting. It's ridiculous that because you can't see how people won't have these things, means they can get them as easily as you.

 

I don't know, but Biden may have a point!

 

Then document it with factual information..

What are the "systemic barriers" and why do they only impact one race?

 

I did. That's why I believe it. It makes sense. n=987, almost a thousand people. That's not a small survey. That's actually about standard for the field. I mean 2,000 is better but that's more than I tolerate for large n analysis

You don't have to like the fact it's a now 15 year old survey. Doesn't invalidate the data. We actually get similar results in another study from 2012:

"Table 4 (pg.6) shows the breakdown of individuals with driver’s licenses or passports broken down by race and ethnicity. It shows that people identifying as White are more likely to have government-issued identification than others: 91 percent of Whites have such identification, compared to 73 percent of Blacks and 83 percent of Hispanics. This represents an 18 point difference between Whites and Blacks, and an 8 point difference between Whites and Hispanics"
"http://www.projectvote.org/wp-conte...WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf"

 

I did. My first post. One problem for example, is that Social Security didn't care about people's names enough and got them wrong. Or that they were never issued a birth certificate before.

 

Rates of identification-ownership are highest among White individuals, while other ethnic groups disproportionately lack necessary photo ID. Thirteen percent of Blacks, 10 percent of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification.

If 87% can do something how is there a barrier?

 

I myself had had issues with SS cards coming with the wrong name( spelling)... I had it corrected...

Have had a State ID or Drivers License since i was 17...

 

Because that includes expired identification as well. Something that is not usable for voting. I have expired identification with me in case I need proof that of my dead name in the past. Doesn't mean I'm voting with it.

 

And I had to have a name change when I was out of college. The only reason I could do that is because I had all my documents before I fled my biological mom's house fearing domestic violence. If I didn't have those I would be relatively document-less, and probably not able to change my name.

 

If its expired it means they had "access" at one point to obtain it and for whatever reason did not get it updated so you keep proving my points for me...

 

You would simply have had to ask for a long form BC and a new SS card.

 

I find that really hard to believe.. Not saying it doesn't happen SS card but the NEVER issuing a birth certificate? Are you eluding to, hospitals fail to record births or these folks are born at home or in the back seat of a car..

Bit of a stretch here, detracts from your argument, that's for sure!!

 

And if the documents used to get the documents in the past are also expired? Or the documents you have don't count anymore. Like in the example from the first post, you clearly didn't read. That's what happened to her. You don't really think these things out do you?

Didn't have access to a car or bus because I lived in a rural community after that. The SS office was in the town next door. I couldn't walk there. Not to mention the whole transitioning thing at the same time. You need a lot of documents then, something that would have overwhelmed me and does overwhelm people. It's pretty hard to go to the government when you know the government is going to discriminate.

Yeah. Because people don't always get born in hospitals. Or if you look at the example in my first post, she didn't have one. She had a baptism certificate. That was her ID. That's how she proved who she was.

 

That's because they can get them as easily as anyone else. The dmv is open to the public and all races.

 

Well not doubting this sort of thing happens! But you are certainly making a fantastic case on how easily it is for undocumented or anyone for that matter to falsify and use multiple Identities..

And why "Legit ones" are so important to have, right?

 

Why did you or her ( you keep flipping back and forth on this) let them expire?

A lot of woe is me and excuses and then you claim "discrimination"?

What transitioning?

Again seems more like poor choices and not thinking ahead then "barriers" that even your own links show do not exist.

 

Yeah, of course I am. 9/10's do have docuementation. They can prove who they are. I'm not denying that. But that 1/10 matters a lot, they need to be able to vote. Because we've seen what happens in the past when 1/10 are denied the right to vote. We get lynchings, riots, and other forms of political violence against them.