'Tell Me Again, Why is showing Voter I.D. Considered Voter Suppression'!

Okay. And? What is your point? If I'm saying that systemically people are denied the right to vote, simply saying "here's how they can get the ID they need to vote" isn't the right answer. I'm saying the system is bad. Simply saying "there is a system" isn't a response.

 

So ID, via a Social Security card, is part of the acceptable IDs to obtain a photo ID.

So it's not the lack of ID's that prevents people from obtaining a photo ID.

 

Hmm.. So how does said 25% cash a check? Write a check? Get government services? This myth that you've trotted out promulgated by Eric Holder is in fact that problem. Eric is a known liar, is one who would rather condone election fraud in order to promote democratic wins. The truth is that Holder is actively lying to you. I bet you just took it for granted that roughly according to his numbers, 10 million black americans don't have access? Really? Laughable.

 

1. Yeah, still is. Hence the example with college student id photos. Just because you can get some documents, doesn't mean they'll be accepted.
2. Not everyone can get social security.

• About 4 percent of the aged population never receives Social Security benefits. These never-beneficiaries include higher proportions of women, Hispanics, immigrants, the never-married, and the widowed than the beneficiary population; never-beneficiaries are also comparatively less educated."
• "
  • Almost 95 percent of never-beneficiaries have insufficient work histories to gain Social Security coverage. Within this group we identify three mutually exclusive categories: late-arriving immigrants (55.1 percent), infrequent workers (34.7 percent), and noncovered workers, of whom most are state and local government employees (4.7 percent)."
• https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v71n2/v71n2p17.html

 

You realize that college students from out of state are not considered residents of the state they attend college in, and are still residents of the state they claim residency in, right? You're actively promoting voter fraud here.

Further, unless undocumented illegal aliens are your target demographic, the ability to produce a birth certificate, is also an accepted form of ID when getting a state issued ID card. In some states, illegal undocumented aliens just get registered when they get their drivers' license..

So, given that so many folks don't have this ID you complain about, why should folks have to show a state issued ID when they buy a gun? Back ground checks even... How about we apply the same standards for getting a gun to voting. You folks seem to be super keen on limiting that right so why not apply the same standards to voting?

 

You do realize that lack of banking services is actually a problem in minority communities don't you?
" Many African Americans have difficulty accumulating savings in part because they lack access to mainstream financial services like banking, a new study on the contributing factors to the U.S. racial wealth gap by McKinsey & Co found on Tuesday."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-underserved-by-u-s-banks-study-idUSKCN1V3081

Just because you can have access to some documents, doesn't mean you have access to enough of them, or the right kinds of documents. This is a very simple fact.

 

And? I'll start caring what "promoting voter fraud" looks like when I think you have a good argument. Until then? Good luck with your straw collection, I'm sure you'll be able to make a man out of it one day.

 

Not a barrier homeless folk need id to get into the homeless shelter.

 

Typical. You'll promote illegal voting registration because you believe you can get those folks to vote for your candidates, or more likely, you'll just print up and mail them in for those folks, huh.... This is what democrats do.

 

I don't think we can discuss the voter ID issue in a vacuum if we are discussing voter suppression. It is only one piece of the puzzle.

 

Demonstrate your point. They aren't being denied Systematically though the Dems appear to be systematically lying to them. By the way one anecdote is scarcely proof if systemic failure.

 

Think why a population that struggles to have/get IDs... would need id to get into a homeless shelter. Limited space and funding, for a growing sub-population. Why would they put that requirement in place? I'll give you a hint, it's not to make things easier for homeless people.

 

Would you agree that the leftist media colluded to suppress conservative voting since 2016?

 

It's only growing in CA. And the primary reason is to check it against a data base if known offenders of various sorts so that they don't inadvertently put someone dangerous in with people who are very nearly helpless. It's not about making it easier it's about making it safer.

 

What do you mean by demonstrate your point?

But if it's what I think it is, it's the point of the anecdote. It's the average experience. It humanizes the problem. It gives us a face and story we can relate with that's easier than saying 1/4 African Americans lack access to Photo ID. It's not hard, all you have to do is raise the bar of getting the ID so it is comparatively harder for a population to get it. It's not rocket science, that's how you do it. Make it so a person has to walk long distances or take long bus rides outside of their neighborhoods. Make them do it again and again to get the same documents. Not as much as a problem now, but fail to explain to people how to get the ID by putting it on the internet, in places where they don't have stable internet. Put places to get ID far away from those without ID. Make the administrative process long and difficult to get said ID. Scrutinize every detail or don't give every needed document.

That's the basic formula. If you need something more than that, I can provide that.

 

So far, you're failed to actually quantify your harm here. You're trying to tie erroneous data to your assertion. If you are a citizen, and you are legally allowed to vote, there aren't real barriers to get ID's that can be used to register, and then be presented at the poll when you vote. Claiming otherwise is the fantasy that you demand others acknowledge. Absent any actual data that supports your assertion. Nope. not today.

The nation has seen what democrats do when given the opportunity to cheat. Not having it again.

 

Sure....and what would happen if they don't have the ID but are helpless? Well that's just one less mouth to feed. It's a common trope to frame these things as "security issues", when in actuallity the policy of the state is to do the opposite-to not help people.

 

First thing I posted on this thread is say that 1/4 African Americans don't have access to photo IDs. So nice fail.

 

Almost all homeless shelter in this part of the world aren't funded by the state. And almost all of them will, in certain circumstanced, make exceptions. But because they are private not public they have to be damn careful because if liability issues.

 

Define access.. Many states have programs were you can get a Drivers License or State ID for free.

 

It's how I define state, it's a rather loose idea of what a 'state' is. It tries to take into account what people don't see as the state, but is the state and vice versa. But good point.

 

The relative ease of engaging with a system I think is a good enough definition.

 

The Eric Holder article is simply BS. That you couldn't tell? Not our problem. It still doesn't make that contention true, or become the basis of having to modify voting procedures to overcome an unreal harm.

 

Why? He was the Attorney General, and where I cited it came from a fact checked article with the sources behind it. Why should I take your opinion on the subject, you who are a random person on the internet who hasn't actually touched my arguments other than to engage in the straw argument of "but there's a system"?

 

No... You cant just make up definitions on the fly to suit your agenda.. You made the claim they did not have access so its up to you to explain how...