The AR15 is, for all intents and purposes, an M16

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  1. AARguy

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    The know-how? Yes... sitting on a shelf in the references I collected when I studied to become a certified gunsmith long ago.. I once spoke German well too... long ago. Most times I went out to buy gunsmithing tools, I got sidetracked and bought another gun, some reloading components or ammo. Such is life.
     
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    Tools are cheap. These guys have a great deal occasionally on barrels to stock up on to maximize your diversification. I bought multiple barrels from them.

    https://bkingsfirearms.com/product-category/ballistic-advantage/
     
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    BREAKING: Judge Benitez Declares California "Assault Weapons" Ban UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    'Benitez was unsparing in his criticism of the law, which bars ordinary Californians from possessing commonly-owned arms that are protected by the Second Amendment.'

    EXCELLENT SMALL CALIBER SELF-DEFENSE WEAPON WITH A LIGHT RECOIL MAKING IT THE WEAPON OF CHOICE FOR WOMEN DEFENDING THEIR YOUNG

    'the AR-15 was used in Florida by a pregnant wife and mother to defend her family from two armed, hooded, and masked home intruders. As soon as the armed intruders entered the back door of her home they pistol-whipped her husband — fracturing his eye socket and sinus cavity. Then they grabbed the 11-year old daughter. The pregnant wife and mother was able to retrieve the family AR-15 from a bedroom and fire, killing one of the attackers while the other fled.'

    IMAGINE IF SHE WAS IN CA AND BARRED FROM THE UTILITY OF THIS EXCELLENT SELF-DEFENSE WEAPON.

    'disabled 61 year-old man living alone on a 20-acre property in Florida with dense woods and a long dirt driveway. After the homeowner had gone to bed, three men armed with a shotgun, pistol, and BB gun invaded. The disabled victim said he was awakened by a loud noise and grabbed the AR-15 laying near his bed. He saw the masked man and a second man coming toward him inside his home. Gunfire was exchanged. By the time police arrived, one attacker had run away, one lay wounded outside, and one was dead on the dining room floor. Police found the disabled man in his bedroom alive, but bleeding from a gunshot wound to the stomach. The AR-15 lay across his legs. Without his modern rifle, the victim would have become an evidence tag and a forgotten statistic.'

    'the AR-15 used by a young man in Oklahoma to defend himself from three masked and armed home invaders clothed in black. The three intruders broke through a rear glass door. Though outnumbered, the homeowner put up a successful defense with his AR-15.'

    Another example: 'the AR-15 that was needed when seven armed and masked men burst through a front door at 4:00 a.m. firing a gun. Outnumbered seven to one, it took the resident 30 rounds from his AR-15 to stop the attackers.'
     
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    Leaving an AR-15 just lying around, is no more dangerous than leaving a steak knife, "unsecured." Neither of those things, can hurt or kill people, on their own. But, used by people, both can puncture flesh, to injure or kill. But so can bare hands, be used to kill. Or a pillow, be used to suffocate someone. So an AR-15, even with an ammo clip inserted, has no need of being treated any differently than cutlery, or bedding, or anything.
    Right?



    EDIT: For newer members, or any who are unfamiliar with my content-- this post is meant as a parody.
     
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    what's an ammo clip?
     
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    Proof of ignorance.
     
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    $20, same as in town.
     
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    that's too much for an AR 15 one but it's a steal for a HK or CZ handgun "clip"
     
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    Even though I know ya'll are ****ing around, reading that is making my eye twitch.
     
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    What was the M16 specifically designed for and is that for traditionally legal purposes?
     
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    The former has no relationship to the latter.
     
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    A better name, Dodge 6
     
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    The M-16 was designed for the military. The semiautomatic AR-15 is a rifle that doesn't meet the military specifications for the M-16.

    We've had magazine fed semiautomatic rifles for hunting since 1907, 36 years before the military had them for war.

    "Assault weapons" include a lot more weapon types than AR-15s, and could include every weapon type including muskets if there were enough votes to do so.
     
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    Never mind the entire purpose of the 2nd is to guarantee the people have access to weapons of war.
     
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    US v Miller, rather than upholding NFA 1934, should have overturned it, guaranteeing access to military rifles to every militia eligible American.
     
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    Depends on how it was overturned
    The case revolved around a SBS. The court could have ruled narrowly and only with respect to same, leaving rifles, etc, alone.

    The interesting question is how the current court would rule, had Miller not died and an effective defense made.
     
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    Dodge 6's argument was M16 and AR15s are essentially the same, so is a firearm designed for military use a traditionally legal purpose?
     
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    You proceed from a premise you know to be false.

    If a firearm is in common use for traditionally lawful purposes, it does not matter what is was (supposedly) designed for.
     
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    And, when used in military applications, are M-16s normally used on full auto or semi auto?
     
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    When using select fire options, does the military tend to prefer full auto or semi auto?
     
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    Is that the only purpose that it's used by civilians?

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 found that legitimate uses of firearms included “…hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity”.

    Common legal uses for AR-15s and similar firearms:
    1. Long distance shooting. http://thecmp.org/competitions/service-rifle/
    2. Competition - http://3gunnation.com/news
    3. Practice – for long distance or competition
    4. Plinking/recreational shooting – cheapest centerfire ammo, low recoil, adaptable frame.
    5. Varmint hunting - https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2013/1/10/best-ar-15-calibers-for-predator-hunting/
    6. Big game hunting, in the proper caliber and legal magazine. - http://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...r-style-rifles-chambered-for-big-game-hunting
    7. Self-defense. - http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ultimate-300-aac-blackout-ammo-test/

    The federal government sold hundreds of thousands of actual military grade, semiautomatic, magazine fed rifles to citizens for decades, without background checks and mailed them to their homes.
    Evidently the government wanted the citizens to own these kinds of firearms.
     
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    In my experience, semiauto. Full auto was reserved for FPFs, etc.
     
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    That was my assumption as well. So (and this is is something I've flubbed before), it does appear that an AR-15 is roughly equivalent to an M-16. I'm not here advocating for making them illegal, but we should acknowledge that, IMO.
     
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    Indeed - I have a number of them.
    All designed to kill Germans and Japanese
     
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