The consistency between modern science and Quran - Part I and II

Eastern religions absolutely blow Abrahamic religions out of the water when it comes to being consistent with science. Yet another reason why I have an affinity for Buddhism.

 

(Quran, 23:12-14) Sounds a lot like the creation myth in Christianity, it doesn't not describe evolution.

(Quran, 78:6-7) (Quran, 16:15) Earthquakes? I am not sure how this verse is useful in anyway. Mountains do not prevent the planet from shaking. I can be quite the opposite actually, mountains are a sign of geologic activity.

(Quran, 41:11) A gaseous state of the universe? Well, it wasn't smoke, so I guess we can discount that one.

(Quran, 25:53) Salt water? This is not a prediction, but an observation. Some water is salty. Some water is not. The fact they are separated is rather obvious and not a prediction of divine nature. I think they must have excluded freshwater rivers flowing into the ocean.

Again, they are vague. I could come up with any number of alternative meanings, however they offer no useful question answering abilities. Like I said, The Elegant Universe and The Greatest Show on Earth are for more useful.

 

Excellent work, detective! That verse never was describing evolution. It was describing fetal development. -- http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

Oh? Scientists discovered that mountains have roots (pegs). They also discovered plate techtonics which support the Earths crust. -- http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-b.htm

It's well known that the universe started out as a gas. -- http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-c.htm

Explain how it's obvious why they seperate in the ocean then -- http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e.htm

See, if you actually took the time to read the link.... Sigh....

 

Riiiiggghhhhtttt. I read the links and all I see is "Nostradamus" syndrome.

Again, the verses are vague and any meaning can be attributed to them. You seems to think that just because the links say something it must be right. It is merely an opinion on a vague verse and a a means of stretching the verse to fit modern observations. If you write enough vague verses eventually one of them will match something two thousand years down the road.

These are the Words of Maynard Himself, Book AEnima, verses for 46 and 2:

My shadow.
Change is coming through my shadow.
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own chaotic
And insecure delusions.

How many things do you think this could apply to?

 

Is there any significance to the title of the above verses?

 

Iirc, its a Buddhist type reference.

 

Sure they do. Every time it rains off shore and over the oceans, fresh water is mixed with the salt water of the ocean.

 

That's not.... Fine... They can't be mixed into a single sample of sea water.

You can have fresh water and salt water together. But they stay as two seperate solutions. They don't mix to form salty fresh water, or fresh salt water.

 

But you didn't give them another meaning. You just said pretty much "no this doesn't mean that" for those verses.

If there is such a wide range of meanings, provide different ones should be an easy thing to do

It is their opinion? Then what makes your opinion fact? They can back their up. You just say "no, no, no...." to anything you read.

Here is what scientists have to say about these verses: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html -- More meaningless opinions I guess.

 

I referenced the examples I did because those are what I remembered from reading the links. Don't mistake that with giving it credibility. I don't need to list all of the possible meanings, the very fact that they are so vague they are easily dismissed. I suggest reading The Elegant Universe and The Greatest Show on Earth.

 

The fresh water mixes with the sea water and just creates more salt water.

You are giving too weight to a 2,000 year old book.

 

Of course you don't. Why do you need to prove something to prove I'm wrong.

I have proof. You have a snubby opinion which you think is fact.

If it's so easy, surely you could prove just one example. Right?

It creates a layer of fresh water in salt water... Naturally these two sources of water don't mix. Fresh water is more dense.

It's the same thing with oil spills. Oil doesn't mix with water for the same reason.

This is news to you? Wow.

A 2000 year old book knows more than you do I guess....

 

So it's a three state process... Fresh to Brackish to Sea Water as the sodium content get equalized... But they do become mixed in the end.

 

What is your proof? Vague 2,000 year old verses? Oh wait, its the scientists who say these vague verses actually describe modern scientific questions. lol

I suggest reading modern texts to address modern scientific questions, the verses you cited have little question answering ability.

Nope. The water mixes.

 

If you add enough fresh water to salt water, they do eventually mix. But it's a layer of the mixed water, like the layers of salt and fresh water.

Wikipedia:

 

Yes they do. which is why we don't see two different types of watch when rivers empty into the ocean. And why there are fish, such as salmon, who are able to breathe both.

 

They will mix, Ocean water is mixed. Accept reality and let go of a silly book.

 

The Mississipi River flows into the Gulf of Mexico, which is sea water and there are no signs of layed mixing...It blends completely.

 

Maybe I should get some food coloring and mix some water today? Lol.

I'll be able to flush away thousands of years of ridiculous religious beliefs in five minutes.

 

Um, yeah we do. Look at some pictures.

Salmon are born in fresh water and live in sea water. How is this proof the two waters mix?

Undisturbed they don't mix and whether it's in the Quran or not is regardless. Fresh waters forms a layer over salt water because densities are different. But if enough fresh water enters a body of salt water, eventually they'll mix into another layer between them of a bit more salty fresh water, which doesn't mix with either of them.

From wikipedia:

 

You miss the part where it says immediately... It does in time when the salt is absorbed by the fresh water. Just like of you put a table spoon of salt in a glass of water. If you don't accelerate the process by stirring the water will only gradually become salted.

You're book says that they never will mix, you are wrong, they are wrong... This happens when people spend all of their time hitting their head on the floor and believing in a 1400 year old book of gibberish pen by illiterate goat herders...

 

Does the Quran say undisturbed? Or are you moving the goal posts?

The water mixes, accept reality.

 

The following is an incomplete list of notable Muslim scientists.

== Astronomers and astrophysics

* slyman ali shoker
* Ibrahim al-Fazari
* Muhammad al-Fazari
* Naubakht
* Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician
* Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
* Al-Farghani
* Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
* Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
* Al-Majriti
* Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
* Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
* Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi
* Abu Sa'id Gorgani
* Kushyar ibn Labban
* Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
* Al-Mahani
* Al-Marwazi
* Al-Nayrizi
* Al-Saghani
* Al-Farghani
* Abu Nasr Mansur
* Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi)
* Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
* Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
* Ibn Yunus
* Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna
* Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
* Omar Khayyám
* Al-Khazini
* Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
* Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
* Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (Alpetragius)
* Averroes
* Al-Jazari
* Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
* Anvari
* Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
* Nasir al-Din Tusi
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
* Ibn al-Shatir
* Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
* Jamshīd al-Kāshī
* Ulugh Beg, also a mathematician
* Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf, Ottoman astronomer
* Ahmad Nahavandi
* Haly Abenragel
* Abolfadl Harawi
* Kerim Kerimov, a founder of Soviet space program, a lead architect behind first human spaceflight (Vostok 1), and the lead architect of the first space stations (Salyut and Mir)[1][2]
* Farouk El-Baz, a NASA scientist involved in the first Moon landings with the Apollo program[3]
* Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
* Muhammed Faris
* Abdul Ahad Mohmand
* Talgat Musabayev
* Anousheh Ansari
* Amir Ansari

 

Muslim Chemists and alchemists


* Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
* Jafar al-Sadiq
* Jābir ibn Hayyān (Geber), father of chemistry[4][5][6]
* Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman)
* Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
* Al-Majriti
* Ibn Miskawayh
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
* Avicenna
* Al-Khazini
* Nasir al-Din Tusi
* Ibn Khaldun
* Salimuzzaman Siddiqui
* Al-Khwārizmī, Father of Al-Gabra, (Mathematics)
* Ahmed H. Zewail, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 1999[7]
* Mostafa El-Sayed
* Atta ur Rahman, leading scholar in the field of Natural Product Chemistry

 

Economists and social scientists


* Abu Hanifa an-Nu‘man economist
* Abu Yusuf economist
* Al-Farabi economist
* Al-Saghani one of the earliest historians of science
* Shams al-Mo'ali Abol-hasan Ghaboos ibn Wushmgir economist
* Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973-104, considered the "first anthropologist" and father of Indology
* Ibn Sina (980–1037), economist
* Ibn Miskawayh (b. 1030), economist
* Al-Ghazali economist
* Al-Mawardi economist
* Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī economist
* Ibn al-Nafis sociologist
* Ibn Taymiyyah economist
* Ibn Khaldun (1332–1406), forerunner of social sciences such as demography, cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology and economics
* Al-Maqrizi (1364–1442), economist
* Akhtar Hameed Khan, Pakistani social scientist; pioneer of microcredit
* Muhammad Yunus, Nobel Prize winner Bangladeshi economist; pioneer of microfinance
* Mahbub ul Haq, Pakistani economist; developer of Human Development Index and founder of Human Development Report