The Earth is Flat

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Completely oblivious to the truth.
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  2. AboveAlpha

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    The Coriolis Effect is caused by Earth's rotation upon it's axis.

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  3. Maccabee

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    Exactly. I think what you are trying to say is that angels cause the winds when it actually says that God will send the four angels at the four corners to stop the winds. It doesn't say they caused them to begin with.
     
  4. AboveAlpha

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    Really?

    Look....you have to begin to understand that the Bible should NEVER be taken literally.

    It is a tool to teach morality...nothing more.

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  5. Maccabee

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    So is Heaven literally the shape of a throne and he's literally sitting on it? No. It's a literary device. It's an allegory. Plus how does that negate the verse about the earth hanging upon nothing? To address the four corners I thought the earth was a disc. How can a disc have four corners? Also the Bible says he gathers the nations from the four corners. Does that mean there are people living near the corners and can see the edge? The four corners are best described as the four points of the compass. As for the pillars shaking how that negates them being the foundation of the continents? We have earthquakes all the time. The KJV doesn't say light sources it says lights, that's all. And Coriolis does exist.


    Here's a question, how do you explain gravity? And here's a tidbit. Don't use scripture when talking to people who don't consider scripture as truth. You are only "validating" there non belief in it. Instead use scientific evidence.

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    That's your opinion.
     
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    It's an opinion backed by a lot of science and mathematics.

    And backed by history.

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  7. jrr777

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    Please explain how the coriolis effect exists. It is claimed that snipers must adjust for it. However if you take a helicopter straight up, let's say just 50ft above ground. Hover for one hour, you should land 1,000 miles away from where you left the ground. This does not happen, so how then does it happen with the bullet. Is the coriolis effect selective? Can it choose which object to effect? No it does not exist. And if it does, please explain where I am going wrong.

    When it comes to the Bible, you most certainly have pointed out the obvious, and I feel like a jackass. However the earth hanging upon nothing does not mean there is no foundation or pillars. They're just hanging upon nothing with earth, as a part of it.

    Proverbs 30:4
    Who has wrapped water in a garment? Who has set up the earth from one end to the other? What is his name or the name of his son? Certainly, you must know!

    Deuteronomy 28:64
    And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

    King James Bible

    God Challenges Job

    1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

    2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? (This one is for NASA and modern scientists)

    3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

    4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

    9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

    10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

    11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

    12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

    13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

    14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

    15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

    16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

    17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

    18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

    19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

    20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

    21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

    22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

    23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

    24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

    25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

    26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

    27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

    28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

    29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

    30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

    31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

    32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

    33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

    34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

    35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

    36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

    37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

    38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

    39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

    40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

    41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

    I listed it all, so you can see the context around it.
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    :roflol::roflol:

    Oh! (*)(*)(*)(*)!

    Dat is funneee!!!

    I could not invent this stuff myself
     
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    What's so funny? They say the coriolis effect, effects bullets. Meaning when the bullet leaves the barrel, the earth's rotation will effect the shot. Yet it does not effect, as I have stated helicopters. How is that? Is your educational answer, "dats funnee?

    Why even reply?
     
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    10 seconds of thought about "what is the difference between a bullet and a helicopter........

    Hint one has rotor blades and is powered and manually guided throughout the flight the other has NO blades and it only has the force applied as it is propelled from the gun barrel and is not guided once it leaves the barrel

    So............... how might that alter the reaction to the Coriolis effect?

    10 seconds thought
     
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    Your missing the entirety. The earth supposedly spins at 1,000 miles per hour. So if this spin effects the bullet, than hovering in place for an hour should make you land 1,000 miles from where you started. In the helicopter you should actually see the earth moving. This does not happen. The argument for this, is the atmosphere spins with the earth, but if that's the case, how does it effect the bullet. Everything would be spinning including the bullet. Also a bullet travels at anywhere from 1,800 to 3,200 feet per second. And only a range of about 1 mile depending on the bullet. The earth's rotation would not have time to effect the bullet. Nothing adds up. For you to defend this myth is ridiculous.
     
  12. Maccabee

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    Actually that all support my view.
     
  13. Maccabee

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    As bowerbird said the bullet, being a projectile, once it leaves the barrel it's affected by the winds. If they generally blow in a certain direction then the sniper adjusts for the wind. I don't think they are saying the earth moves under the bullet and the bullet is unaffected by it. Helicopters are controlled and can fight against the wind. And as a side note the reason it's not being blown off is because the atmosphere generally moves with the earth. It's like jumping up on a train
    Actually they are apart of the continents. Plus if your right then what's the use of the pillars if they stand on nothing too? Not only that but I'm still waiting for your answer as to what causes gravity.
    It's either Poole to pole or its referring to earth as in dry land.
    Like I said its eithe pole ends or the dry land part of earth. Plus if you're interpretation is correct then I thought the ice wall was off limits and no one can go there.
    Exactly how is this revelant?

    The corner stone could be the mountains, but remember the book of Job is poetry.

    This is the underground water basins of the round earth that caused the flood.

    This is when the flood waters assuaged and the mountains rose up and the valleys sank down.

    Refer to point about poles.

    How is this revelant?

    See my point about the flood.

    Could be the ice age that started before the flood and continued afterwards.

    Thanks.
     
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    Because, and again we need to apply 10 seconds of thought, both the Earth and the Helicopter ARE TRAVELLING AT THE SAME SPEED!

    Right - you are in a car travelling at 60 kph - you toss a ball straight up in the air - how come it does not land in the boot of the car? Because both you and the ball were travelling at the same speed to start with.

    :wall:

    Oh! BTW

    Why can you not see this from where you live?

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    OK...I will explain this to you.

    If you are sitting in the passenger seat of a car going 60 mph and you throw a baseball at a STATIONARY TARGET on the side of the road and you throw the ball at 50 mph the velocity of the ball when it strikes the stationary target will be 60 mph + 50 mph = 110 mph.

    If the person throws a baseball at a target just as they pass that target in the car the velocity of the throw specific to it's traveling back toward the target is 60 mph - 50 mph =10 mph.

    NOW.....UNLIKE THE STATIONARY TARGET that you threw the baseball at when a sniper is firing a shot at a person and I will just use simple numbers...say the 50 Caliber round fired from the Barrett M82 sniper rifle is traveling at a velocity of 5280 feet per second...it's actually 4000 fps but for this purpose I will use 5280.....SINCE THE PERSON AND THE RIFLE ARE TRAVELING ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE EARTH'S SURFACE AT 1040 MPH AT THE EQUATOR....THUS SO IS THE TARGET TRAVELING AT 1040 MPH........

    .......this means that a shot backwards against the Earth's rotation will impact the target faster than a shot forward with the Earth's rotation.

    Since the .50 Caliber round is traveling at 1 MILE A SECOND....which is 1200 MILES PER HOUR......this means that ONLY 1 SECOND WILL PASS TO TRAVEL 5280.

    UNLIKE throwing a baseball from a moving car back at a target you passed in this case BOTH the RIFLE AND AS WELL AS THE TARGET ARE TRAVELING AT 1040 MPH ON EARTHS SURFACE.before the round is fired.

    This means that although there is a small decrease in time and distance due to firing a round back against Earth's rotation since the rifle and the round in the chamber are ALSO MOVING AT 1040 mph.....that decrease is MINIMAL.

    But it is enough so when you are firing a sniper rifle and round at extremely distant targets such as from 1000 to 3500 yards away....it must be taken into account.

    This is just one calculation as the Coriolis Effect calculations DIFFER DEPENDENT UPON WHERE YOU ARE ON THE GLOBE AND WHAT DIRECTION YOU ARE FIRING AT.

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    The story of exodus. It takes place in the Middle Kingdom.
     
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    It's a STORY!!!

    It is not verifiable nor is there any evidence it happened.

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    The Biblical Story of Exodus and even the story in the Torah is extremely faulty.

    Just a few points.....in the Tanakh it clearly states that Moses and the Hebrews CROSED THE YAM SUPH....or REED SEA.

    Moses never parted the Red Sea.

    Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to get lost in a desert for 40 years.

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    Oh! I don't know - they did have a MAN leading them ;)
     
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    LOL!!!

    HEY!!

    What are you trying to say???

    Put the Burka back on and get your ass in the kitchen!!

    LOL!!

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  22. Maccabee

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    The Bible says that the sea was as a wall unto them. Tell me exactly what reed sea can do that naturally. Also they weren't lost for forty years they were lead through the desert for forty years. There's a difference.
     
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    And I still reckon that if a woman had been leading them it would have only taken 4 days

    Lols!!

    Can you imagine it - Mrs Moses "Oy Vey! You would think he would wear his glasses when he reads the map!"
     
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    Water spins down the drain south of the equator in the opposite direction it does north of the equator.
     
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    That is a lie and there is no proof. All the world's gov't just make it look that way to keep the conspiracy going of a spherical earth.
    They have put large magnets under everyone's drains and force the water to spin.
     

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