The Necessity of Abortion

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  1. Questerr

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    They cannot force you to give up part of your body to another person, even if that person will die without it.

    They can’t even do it to corpses.
     
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    Yes---------------and the KKK when the republican Lincoln ended slavery.

    And---------------------it was actually republicans that passed the civil rights acts, democrat voted against it too.
     
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    Thank you for side-stepping the point.
     
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    So slave-owning George Washington was a member of the Democratic Party?
     
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    I’m not sidestepping any point. The state does not and has never in America had the power to force people to give up parts of their bodies to another person, even to save that person’s life. They can’t even force death row criminals or corpses to do so.
     
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    You are.
    The state can force you to give up your life, in a number of ways.
     
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    Does matter if she wanted yo get pregnant or not

    Having sex involves that risk
     
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    I disagree. Human life started thousands and thousands of years ago.

    A life starts at conception.


    Rights start at birth.

    Scientists do NOT determine when rights start.

    You put rights starting at 16 to 24 weeks.

    When do the woman's rights stop? At 16 to 24 weeks of gestattion?

    And why do they stop?
     
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    :) That is my POINT.....

    WHAT case/argument/reason would be brought to the Supreme Court?
     
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    It cannot force you to give up any part of your body to another person, even to save that person’s life.
     
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    Just like how driving after 10pm on the weekend involves the risk of getting hit by a drunk driver, but knowing that is a possible risk doesn’t mean you are consenting for it to happen.
     
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    It does if you choose to drive anyway

    Risky behavior has its own “rewards”
     
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    The state, in fact, can, and it can because Roe v Wade specifically allows it to do so.
     
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    So then no one hit by a drunk driver after 10pm on a Saturday should be able to prosecute because they consented to being hit.
     
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    RvW does not in anyway involve the government forcing people to give up parts of their body to other people.
     
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    Under Roe, the state can outlaw abortion on demand.
    And so, since you have decided to couch carrying a child in terms of the mother 'giving up parts of her body to other people' - yes it can.
     
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    This assumes most women are pro choice.
     
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    I have watched videos of a heart transplant...oooh, it was all bloody and icky...but they're not banned. BTW it's "who's" not whose.


    I don't know if your figures are correct(so many Anti-Choicers make up figures) but yes, I bet many women who suffer from the ILLNESS of depression are more likely to commit suicide for a variety of reasons.

    Having an abortion does NOT cause depression in the majority of women who have them, most express relief.

    No matter how many women get depressed after having an abortion ( or losing their job or having a miscarriage or failing a college course or getting divorced ) banning abortion has nothing to do with mental health.



    Why don't you ask them?

    Maybe they were "guilted' while viewing...maybe they changed their mind. SO?






    Because they personally wouldn't get an abortion but believe that women have the same right to their own body that everyone else has.


    They are interested in rights, not forcing other women to conform to their ideas.


    ;




    Well, I am, killing babies is murder.



    Oh, are you off murder and back to abortion? The right to one's own body is not "disguised"

    But taking away women's right to their own bodies is often disguised as "caring for that "precious life" when it really isn't.

    It's about controlling and punishing women for having sex.

    No, it's because that's a perverted thing to do.

    Obviously if it's a child it was wanted.
     
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    We could do a purge too, that would eliminate a lot of social problems.
     
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    Nope , states can't.
     
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    Well, you have to prove that and you didn't even include my post where I allegedly "twisted " your words....and I didn't.





    What are you talking about, women can have elective abortions up to 23 weeks (viability






    Do you want to reread that and let me know what you mean? And, NO, homeless kids in America are mostly Americans.




    BUT FORCING POOR AMERICAN WOMEN TO HAVE KIDS THEY CAN'T AFFORD WON'T ?????????





    Do you know that sentence is illogical, makes no sense at all, try again...


    Why did you respond but not quote me? So I wouldn't get the alert that I was quoted?
     
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    Not at all

    Drunk driving is a crime

    But careful people have a better chance of not getting hit than people who are not careful
     
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    And one can be careful , still get hit and still get medical treatment....

    And UNcareful people can get hit and STILL get medical treatment...…..not being carful isn't a crime..
     
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    Neither is being conceived

    But lib women impose the death sentence on unborn children they dont want
     
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    some folks can't argue honestly. Their position is personal like most people. But they are too emotionally attached to their position to be reasonable.
     
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