the real Russia, not as shown by the Media.

no, their were not, in fact there was overproduction of bread in the USSR, i lived there and i remember it all well.

 

even in the worst days of Gorbatchov's perestroika period there was no shortage of bread and vegetables.

'bread lines' was concoted by Western propaganda to malign the USSR so that to scare Westerners out of Socialist ideology.

 

Actually, that's complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I was in Moscow in 1987 and the daily routine was lines of people waiting out in front of large food stores full of empty shelves.
It was surreal.

 

it wasn't bread lines, bread was in abundance, people were queueing up to by meat or fish etc.

 

you West folk have such an unpleasant trait as take everything at face value without going into details, i.e. raher superficially, as if deaf and blind, you only look for corroborating your stereotypes, instead of debunking them.

 

Perhaps in Moscow, and St Peter, and no where else my friend.

 

And etc., etc., etc., because all of the shelves were empty.
I can't speak for now, but that was a fact of life in Moscow in 1987.

 

as i previously said, there was overproduction of bread all over the USSR, so no bread lines were possible; and who told you there were bread lines at all? which source?

if all the shelves were empty then why people stood in lines to get there? Western education did not teach you simple logic?

they keep on telling you there's bread lines in Russia right now?.. you are being brainwashed.

no, especially not in 1987, i well remember that empy shelves came only in 1989.

 

Russian friends who lived outside Moscow and Peter.

 

there were regions in the USSR which never had this empty shelves problem, Krasnodar for example, it was provided with food way better than Moscow.

 

outside - where exactly and how old are they?.. they might have heard it from some Western source or alike during the 1990s period. USSR just couldn't suffer from bread shortages because the production of bread was subsidised and it was produced in amounts so large that people wasted it and threw it away; this became such a problem that the Soviet government had to conduct a media campaign urging people to not waste bread.

 

Ask Freddy who is Russian and he remembers Bread Lines back in the late 1970's and 1980's.

Moscow was a city that did not see bread lines but there were lines for Coffee, Meats...etc.

If you lived in any of the current Former Soviet Republics such as Azerbaijan.....you would have seen bread lines.

I spend a great deal of time in both the Soviet Union and in Russia while if was a part of the CCCP and when Russia became a Democracy.

My first JOB was to study Soviet Leader Yuri Andropov a sick, dying and delusional man who almost started WWIII as he was so sick and so delusional he told his top Aid's that he wanted to go down in History as the Soviet Leader who destroyed NATO and the U.S.

Andropov was convinced that the NATO WARGAME ABLE ARCHER 83 was to be THE REAL THING and Andropov had convinced a large number of the Old Communist Leadership as well as since Andropov was head of the KGB under Soviet Leader Leonid Brezhnev.....Andropov held a lot of sway within the KGB and GRU and Military.

It was the KGB and GRU that STOPPED ANDROPOV FROM LAUNCHING NUKES and it came so close I am told it was like within 45 seconds back in 1983.

Because of this near disaster I was invited to the Soviet Union and I went to Moscow and had some good times drinking and partying in Leningrad at a High Ranking Communist Party Leadership ONLY CLUB on the Neva River.

Back then I was there to help develop a system of BACK CHANNEL COMMUNICATION to avoid what nearly happened when Andropov was alive.

I was back again right after the fall of Communism and then I was back for quite some time in mostly the Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbiajan and other Former Soviet States including Russia as my Team and I provided Security for U.S. Military Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons Destruction Teams as well we worked with the CDC in Russia as they cleaned up old Soviet Biological Weapons Labs that were dangerous on a level that most people would not believe as the Soviet's just abandoned them.

I have been stuck in traffic in Moscows МКАД which they are building an even more outer ring as traffic is a NIGHTMARE in Moscow.

I know Russia and I have many Russian Friends mostly living in and around Moscow.

I know the reality.

AboveAlpha

 

We understood that one of the way's to DIRECTLY HIT PUTIN AND HIS 110 BUDDIES POCKETBOOKS was to flood the Oil Market with U.S. Shale Oil and Canadian Sand Tar Oil as we ramped up production over 2000%.

As well as we control OPEC....Putin hoped that OPEC would vote to lower Oil Production as Oil Prices at that time had dropped from over $120 a Barrel down to about $60 a Barrel.

Saudi Arabia voted NO to cutting Oil Production and this caused an incredible Oil GLUT worldwide and dropped oil to below $50 a Barrel.

As 80% of the entire Russian Economy is Energy Exports...and because it cost Russia at least $100 to produce a barrel of Oil....we rendered the Ruble valueless and now Russia is in an ECONOMIC DEPRESSION as Putin himself calcultes the Russian Economy will shrink between 5.5% to 7.5% in 2015.

U.S. estimates have the Russian Economy shrinking up to 9.1%.

Credit Swiss a very dependable judge....has it declining by up to 12.5%.

The current Russian Economy will remain in a state of deep economic depression unless Putin cut's a deal with the United States because ONLY the U.S. is capable and willing as Putin burned all his bridges with Europe...to help Russia get out of this deep depression.

AboveAlpha

 

I believe you must be a real fan of conspiracy.
Too much CapsLock for a simple answer.
I'm sure there is a grain of truth in your words, but I'd suggest you think less about Putin's Russia and more about Obama's America

 

he cannot remember that which did not exists as such.

a bread line could only happen if the bread delivery to some far away region has been disrupted.

more over, it was not that getting food was of such a problem in the USSR, because there were restaurants and eateries always provided with meat etc.

also in USSR they kept restauants with places where people worked at, so no one was hungry there back then.

 

you see, they are working on the problem.

oh, yeah -

what and how old and of which political views are they?

no you don't and are making up things.

 

Russia and North Korea are so similar. The only difference is that Russian currency hasn't collapsed completely yet. Once that happens, all allies will jump ship and they'll be completely isolated.

The similarities I find the most humorous is the internet trolling. The Kremlin, much like North Korea, has "information providers" (trolls) that are ordered to go online and post positive things about Russia in an attempt (pathetic one) to make everyone forget about all of the overwhelming negative.

When someone has to create a thread that says "The real Russia" and post pics/vids of only a few decent places....you know it's at an all time low. I almost feel bad for them.

 

ever been to either of them to say so?

and why should i post more?.. no need to turn the thread into picture gallery; here's Yandex panorama view of Moscow streets for address search, see the sites for yourself - https://maps.yandex.ru/213/moscow/?ll=37.647702%2C55.759797&z=16&text=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%2C%20%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%20%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0&sll=37.617671%2C55.764286&sspn=2.499390%2C0.655803&panorama[point]=37.632492%2C55.776508&panorama[direction]=11.672606%2C6.416619&panorama[span]=130.000000%2C65.609375&ol=geo&oll=37.647702%2C55.759664

 

Lol people take pictures of North Korea that look beautiful, that doesn't mean they don't have EXTREME poverty, some of the worst in the world, slavery (literally), and famine.

 

Lets not confuse the Russian people with the Russian government.

 

i gave you the link to click-travel every street of Moscow as seen from driver's view, beautiful or not.

 

Whoa. I never said Moscow wasn't beautiful. I think Moscow (from what I've seen through pictures and school) is an amazing city. I'm speaking of the nation as a whole. In fact, if Russia would steer away from it's Soviet ways again, I'd love to go visit. Right now, it's not some place I want to go. My friend from the Army visited Russia and they were convinced he was a "security threat". His wife is Russian and they went to visit their family. I guess the customs folks in Russia thought he was a "spy" lol. Russia is too paranoid right now, and paranoia is dangerous for visitors.

 

Yeah I would also love to visit, just do not think now is a good time. Wanted to visit Ukraine as well, but it will have to wait till they sort that (*)(*)(*)(*) out.

 

also there's google - https://www.google.ru/maps/@55.763666,37.612447,3a,90y,146.37h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPYTVE3tKKSigrtOlVXL2Lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

 

This is getting pretty pathetic. Anyone can post pictures of major cities. What they won't post are the millions of Russian slums that make Detroit look like Venice Beach.