Throwing the towel on Covid-19 - I'm out of the topic

Gerson:

". . . As part of these experiments, viruses were tested to determine whether various spike proteins from existing bat viruses could infect human cells. That is very different from modifying these viruses to become more transmissible or deadly (which is the formal definition of “gain of function” research). . . . "

 

I'm with you on Fauci.

Time for a National Freedom from Fauci Day.

 

Top U.S. health official calls for follow-up investigation into pandemic’s origins
The theory that the coronavirus came from a lab in Wuhan, China, has gained traction amid criticism of an international probe and reports that several workers there were ill in November 2019 — weeks before the virus was officially identified.
By Yasmeen Abutaleb, Shane Harris and Ben Guarino

• Analysis: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

 

To put a super fine point on it Michael isn't credible since he has no first hand knowledge, and he's been contradicted by the Chinese Institute to Technology that proved otherwise in their review.

And when you refer to Gerson, you are of course referring to former speech writer Michael Gerson, and current contributor to the Washington Post. Hmm.. they are owned again by whom? Jeff Bezos you say, and how much business does he do with China... Seems like quite a conflict of interests....

 

Is this you suddenly changing your mind? And just for grins, where is the data demonstrating the passing of the bat virus that was 1000s of K's was from Wuhan not ever found in any other species, and or local transmissions to humans? If the virus wasn't being manipulated, as you've suggested, where is the genesis case then?

 

I advocate for no outcome, only for a continuing and open-minded investigation. As for Gerson, I find him quite a bit more trustworthy than many.

 

Brava. And Gerson is quite the little apparatchik for some, and seems entirely compromised by his employer given the puff he wrote that you've cited. I'm all for being open minded, but at some point you actually have to open your mind to the evidence.

 

My mind is quite open to evidence, thanks. That's different from being open to prejudice.
From your #94:
I will admit that personally, I have great animus for Fauci. I blame him for being the guy that single handedly ensured that "treatment" but not vaccine for HIV was the priority, and forgot that stopping the virus was vastly more important that supplying a reliable annuity to the drug and medical industries. It is his legacy. To use a literary analogy, he is House Harkonnen. and all the evil that represents to me.
There is no evidence whatsoever that research aimed at treatment slowed research aimed at vaccines.

 

Critical to any decision is information. When information is absent or even false then one cannot give informed consent. Can’t tell you how many people think these treatments are FDA approved counter to what the FDA itself says.

 

The conclusion was reached because of the evidence available which ostensibly is based on the discovery of the evidence. That isn't actually prejudice, its repudiation then. no? Since no one is prejudging his character since it was already evaluated. Given his historic output which was analyzed, it seems credible to take the stance that the cat can't change its spots. Again, is that not reasonable, or are you suggesting that only after the mishandling of this event ends, only then we can evaluation his performance and output or else be castigated as being prejudiced? hard to reconcile your point here.

 

I do not see evidence for your view.

 

Maybe people just think the treatments may work.

 

Based on what? Misleading information from pharma and politicians? That isn't informed consent.

 

Who says it's misleading?

 

Suddenly the left trusts everything big pharma that is making billions off of this and their political flunkies say?

"Do not believe anything the government tells you" ~ George Carlin

 

I note that you are not denying that what I said is true: "Gain of function research is the stuff of biological warfare.'

"A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal Antiviral Research (Vol. 16, April 2020) is entitled, “The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade.”

It reveals that the CoVid-19 coronavirus contains unique features that allow it to function as a more efficient weapon system for human-to-human transmission, which helps explain why the virus has been impossible to contain (even under “quarantine” conditions, which have universally failed in China, Japan, Korea and elsewhere)."

Biological Weapons News, CONFIRMED: CoVid-19 coronavirus found to contain unique “gain-of-function” property “for efficient spreading in the human population” … exact quote from science paper just published in Antiviral Research, By Mike Adams, 02/19/2020.
https://biologicalweapons.news/2020...for-efficient-spreading-human-population.html

 

The American position on government is that it is at best a necessary evil. US government officials funding and participating in bio-weapon research in labs controlled by our enemies is government at its worst. IMO, pure evil.

"The new feature engineered into the Wuhan coronavirus has, “the potential to cleave specifically viral envelope glycoproteins, thereby enhancing viral fusion with host cell membranes,” conclude study authors.

This feature results in, “higher pathogenicity, pronounced neural symptoms and neurotropism in infected chickens,” according to the paper. That means, essentially, it kills more easily and causes nervous system damage while infecting nerve cells. Note that many of the human victims in China appear to suffer seizures and a total, almost instantaneous nervous system shutdown, literally collapsing in seconds."
BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS NEWS, CONFIRMED: CoVid-19 coronavirus found to contain unique “gain-of-function” property “for efficient spreading in the human population” … exact quote from science paper just published in Antiviral Research, By Mike Adams, 02/19/2020.
https://biologicalweapons.news/2020...for-efficient-spreading-human-population.html

So, has WW III already started and killed 3 million human beings without even being declared?

 

So you think the declining numbers of cases are all lies?

 

most of the pandemic last about one year

 

Yes, and . . . ?

 

Which would happen anyway. Correlation does not mean causation.

 

No, but it's a reasonable basis for a hypothesis that can then be further tested. It's the main underpinning of most science. Your logic seems to say that correlation is AGAINST causation, which seems absurd.

 

First, I don't say Covid19 isn't deadly or dangerous.

Historically virus cases drop as fast as they rise. By the time deaths started dropping only a small percent had been given this novel treatment and mostly the age group that are the most vulnerable. When a virus reaches an R0 number of 1 or below it is on it's way out and that happens when the cases starts dropping. The majority of the population has over 99.9% survivability rate if they catch Covid19. At my age in my late 60s it is 98.5%. There is already approximately 50% immunity to the virus in the population which means reaching R0 comes sooner. If there were no existing immunities the initial and erroneous estimate of 2 million dead in the US might have been realistic so much of the information has been based on lack of knowledge that is no one's fault except maybe China that has not been forthcoming. What you are not being told is that herd immunity has already been reached and why cases have plummeted.

What has happened in this case is that Pharma has been wanting general acceptance of a treatment never before allowed because it will make them billions. Previous treatments like this never passed animal trials and never got to phase 1 of human clinical trials. In this case no animal trials have been performed because that in itself takes years.

It's not about hypothesis, its about public safety and why we have procedures to test drugs that take as long as 10 years and even then some are pulled after due to causing death. Some regular vaccines have been pulled after 25 deaths was considered to be too many and these treatments have now caused more deaths than that.

Of course the media blitz never informs the public because it is designed to push these experimental treatments but the public is never fully informed anyway and if they were, it would increase vaccine hesitancy and cost pharma also don't discount the ignorance of politicians.

What will happen, I predict, is that these FDA unapproved treatments will get licensing eventually even though all safety precautions and full clinical trials will have been bypassed as there is no way government will ever admit to making a mistake.

"Do not believe anything the government tells you" ~ George Carlin

 

Pay wall

 

Then you agree with my statement, and I always like that whenever it happens.

IMO, the cover-up of how this virus was created and spread should alarm everyone.

“The secret story of chemical and biological warfare demonstrates few things so clearly as the way in which discoveries made in the cause of human welfare can be used to devise ever more sophisticated Instruments of death.” p. 264.

“It is in the field of biological warfare that the most frightening possibilities present themselves. It is now nearly 30 years [in 1982] since Crick and Watson made their momentous discovery of the double helix’ structure of DNA, this discovery has not yet, as far as is known, been applied to the business of war. But in the civilian laboratories of Europe and North America biologist are regularly tampering with the nature of life itself through ‘gene splicing’ or recombinant DNA. It has been called the most awesome discovery since man split the atom. Should the breakthrough, like atomic physics, come to be applied to warfare the implications scarcely bear thinking about.”
A HIGHER FORM OF KILLING, Robert Harris, Jeremy Paxman, Hill & Wang, NY 1982 p. 265.