Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at t

If they don't go through the sex change, then they are gay males. There is such a thing as the effeminate gay male.

There just isn't anyway around that argument.

 

The majority of transpeople are heterosexual, not gay!

There is about the same percentage of gays in the trans population as there is in the general population.

There are multiple options for sex reassignment surgery. It is not a single procedure and it can take years to complete.

 

do you think men and women should have equal rights?

I think in sports, maybe not

 

Well you stop asking broad inane questions I asked you a specific question to your post concerning THIS issue.

You said

How is making women compete against men equal rights? How is keeping men and women in separate prisons a violation of "equal rights"?

 

Now just a darn minute. Two statements:

1. The vast majority transwomen who have successfully made the complete transformation ( post operation ) who prefer the company of men emotionally and sexually are said to be heterosexual.

2. Before a transwoman became a fully realized woman 'she' was a 'he', and therefore was homosexual before the transformation. This is true for the majority of those referred to in #1.

Your counter to the above statement suggests the opposite is true for both statements.

Is that what you are saying?

Answer the above question, and then I will reply to your second premise.

 

NO one can transform into the sex to they were not born. A man can never be a "fully realized woman" only a man pretending to be a woman even going so far as to mutilate their bodies to make it only appear they are a woman.

 

You can't change your sex through surgery or feeding your body hormones. You can't change your sex through ANY procedure. There just isn't anyway around that argument.

 

I hear you, but, for the sake of compassion, we are calling them transformed ( should they go through the complete process insofar as it can possibly be done), so they can go about their lives without more societal initiated trauma foisted upon them by those who fear societal change and progress.

Your point, in other words, though technically correct, is beside the point of my comment.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/cisgender-vs-straight#cisgender-and-straight

Hopefully that sheds a little more light on what is a complex matter that is still evolving.

 

Its like the diaries of a madman.

 

Only for those steeped in Science Denialism.

 

Exactly what "Science" are you referring to?

 

The sciences of DNA and Chromosomes that establish that there is a MEDICAL basis for being transgender.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205084203.htm

 

You know what I say to all that 'gender' psychology?

Get the **** out of here with that crap.

You're a girl or a boy. That being said.....

IF you're a boy and you want to be a girl, okay, we're enlightened now, so go get the operation, and get to that shore where it's complete,
and then I am willing to call you a girl, for the sake of your mental health.

But if you are going to lay this crap on me that there are 'many genders'.

No way.

We can progress, to the future, but that does not mean we have to give up the past, either.

 

I hate to burst your BINARY bubble but I am BOTH genders!

And I am NOT the only one who is Gender-Fluid.

My physical appearance is changing to be more ANDROGYNOUS "for the sake of my mental health" and you do NOT get to DEMAND that I MUST fit into one of your asinine "stereotypes".

Society is EVOLVING and there is NOTHING you can do to stop it.

Facts matter!

 

I really don't give a damn. This is some seriously 'woke' bullshit.

You got a dick, you're a guy. Your sexual preference, your wish to be a female, is irrelevant.

Now, where I, and many like me, have progressed, out of compassion for your mental health, if you want to be a girl, complete the process, and then, and only then, will myself, and millions like me, be willing to call you that. But, all this 'cisgender' crap, get out of here with that nonsense.

end of argument.

Males and Females are biological facts of identification and classification, they are not stereotypes.

Yes, there are anomolies, individuals born with both female and male genitalia, and usually the dominant one, I suspect, becomes the individual's gender, when he or she is old enough to make the choice. But, for the most part, the transpersons, that isn't the case, so my above statement applies.

Maybe when my generation has passed, you'll get your way.

 

About 2% of the population is Transgender which comes to somewhere between 6 and 7 million of us. The majority are still in the closet but YOUR denialism is NOT going to prevent Society from EVOLVING towards the ACCEPTANCE that we do NOT fit into your stereotype boxes.

More and more you will see forms that ask for Male/Female/Other when it comes to REMOVING the discrimination and transphobia against those of us who do NOT conform to those UNSCIENTIFIC outdated MISCONCEPTIONS about the full SPECTRUM of humanity in all of it's DIVERSITY.

FACTS still matter irrespective of those who are in DENIAL.

 

This link says it all.
https://fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/sports-campaign/
It's called Fair Play For Women and it argues that in sport, people should compete with the gender they're born with, not identify with based purely on physical attributes one gender has over another.

 

If most of them havent admitted they are transgender or came out of the closet how would you know 2% of the population is like that ?
personally i think that sounds way to high & is more likely to be 0.2% at best.

a survey in 2016, from the Williams Institute, estimated that 0.6% of U.S. adults identify as transgender. gues i came close

 

Incredibly poorly expressed for an official statement. I think I know what they're trying to say.

 

Seems pretty clear to me....reducing your serum androgens does not remove the physical advantages the same serum androgens gave your body in the first place, i.e. bone density and muscle mass

 

I don't think I will ever fully understand this. Having said that, I am not threatened by it and am happy to take a back seat, support and observe how it unfolds.

 

Yes, that appears to be what it's saying. I'm fussy about syntax and grammar though, so I'll reserve final judgement until the guidelines are clearer.

 

That is OLD data.



The 2020 Gen Z data being the latest and LEAST inhibited by social stereotyping is likely to the most accurate.



Your Transgender numbers apply to the older more INHIBITED generations but among Millennials it jumps to 1.2% of the population and for Gen Z it is 1.8%.

The current US population is 331 million and 1.8% is just under 6 million transpeople.

Since Gen Z is still open for another 4 years the odds are that number will INCREASE.

 

You are far from being alone when it comes to understanding all of the ramifications.

Even I am struggling to grasp the variations and I am trans so I am not in the least surprised that others find it mindboggling.

And yes, you are absolutely right that there is nothing in the least bit threatening about any of this.

We are just gaining new knowledge about ourselves which means we need to rethink our old assumptions.