Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at t

Well it's strange that right and left non lawmakers can align with this issue but law makers are polarized. I view yourself as leaning left and was looking for insight.

 

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So Very WRONG!

Some of those advantages happen in fetal development.

Concerning athletics, the gender call at birth should be it.


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And you know that isn't what my post was referring too. But referring to the basic concept that biological males should compete with biological males and biological females should compete with biological females all in the name of fairness and commensense. I've heard so many strong left leaning folk agree with that sentiment. Was confused on why democrat law makers aren't getting the message.

 

Your view is wrong.

 

What is "inequal" about men compete against men and women compete against women?

 

Everyone, hold on a second. Why does a man need to prove he’s a woman when I thought just declaring to be one is good enough? Does this mean Bruce Jenner is still a man?

 

Let's ask Richard, er, Rachel Levine...

 

No relation, Steve N!

 

My neighbor's Dachshund won a Dachshund race the other day. My Lab says next year he's entering: he identifies as a Dachshund.

 

For a bit of levity:

 

How is making women compete against men equal rights?

 

Just as testosterone help GAIN muscle mass estrogen LOSES muscle mass AND loss of calcium in bones.

If these hormones are APPLIED at PUBERTY then the body ALIGNS with the HORMONES as far as muscle mass is concerned.

 

If the hormones are consistently applied. But there's no proof that happens.

A trans "woman" could take hormone blockers beginning at puberty, then go off those hormone blockers for a time, then get "her" male genitals removed, and still potentially have an unfair advantage.

In addition to that, it's often the case that these hormone blockers are not begun until late puberty. So there is some accumulation of unfair advantage.
(and I would not want to make any rule differentiating between the two in sports competition because we should not be doing anything that might pressure young people thinking about being trans to rush into this too quickly)

 

NO ONE "rushes" into being "trans"!

You either are or you are not trans!

It is NOT a "choice"!

YOU are NOT qualified to make any determination as to WHEN puberty blockers were given so your allegation about "late puberty" is baseless bovine excrement.

There are NATURAL VARIATIONS of hormone levels among cis-people so does that mean that a cis-female with HIGHER than AVERAGE testosterone levels has an "unfair" advantage?

 

All regulations on allowing transgender athletes to compete are determined through the International Olympic Committee, which includes the Medical and Scientific Commission. One of the regulations set in place for allowing athletes who have transitioned from male to female to compete is that they their total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months prior to their first competition.

Note that athletes who are in the process of transitioning do not meet these regulations. They have to have completed their transition treatment for at least 12 months before competing. It is the Olympic Committee's duty to ensure a safe and fair competition among athletes, and I do trust the expertise of the Olympic Committee on the matter more than any person on these forums.

If the inclusion of transgender athletes were not regulated by the professionals of the Olympic Committee, I would agree with you, but plainly put, this is not a mere matter of allowing biological males to compete in female competition. These are athletes who have transitioned and met every consultation process established for a fair competition. This process isn't based on an assumption, it is an established consensus through years of research from medical and athletic experts.

 

I am conflicted on this matter but lean towards not allowing 'her' to compete against women. On what basis can it be said that 'she' does not have the usual strength advantage men have over women?

 

are men and women equal or not? arguing they are not comes with problems too

the problem with trying to change the laws will be the right will try to kill equal rights and the left will try to expand them

neither imo will just be able to address this issue

 

Fact: Men and women are obviously not "equal".
Do you disagree?

 

why do some think they should not be treated equal in employment and such

 

Why do some people confuse equal rights with gender equality when there is obviously no such thing?

 

I am not invoking specific individuals but rather the criteria that would enable transpeople to compete fairly and equally.

In this instance I believe that she transitioned AFTER male puberty which would mean she does NOT fit the criteria that would enable fair competition.

 

Again
How is making women compete against men equal rights?

 

It's NOT.


It should be based on the gender declared a birth, not a chosen gender


Has Laural completed her surgical conversion?

 

Is that really true, though? Weight lifting doesn't sound like estrogen will have much of a chance, but testosterone will flourish, especially if one has male chromosomes, but I'm not a scientists, I just don't know.

Isn't laurel a man's name? Is this a T- girl or T dude? Okay, it's T girl.

I'm all for LGBT rights, but I am also for fairness in sports, overall. If Transwomen are going to compete in women's sports, a scientific committee should be enacted to study the issues, and recommend handicapping, IF necessary, to even out any advantages they may have ( similar to how jockeys of different weights must have added weights to the saddles to match their assigned weight ), Runners can start at different positions on the starting lines, weightlifters averaged weight equivalents, etc. In some sports, there is no difference between male and female, such as Drag racing, I recall Shirley Muldowney, for example. For team sports, it gets more complicated, I'd have to think about that one. But, it could be managed, for example, if we are talking women's softball, where the opposing team has a T girl, she shouldn't be allowed to pitch, or play outfield, but play base, shortstop, or catcher, where her strength wouldn't be a critical advantage. For hitting, they should have pinch hitters, but in reverse ( because of her strength advantage ). I don't know, really, I'm just thinking about the issues.

It has to be fair, folks.

On pro sports, why would a T girl want to play in female sports anyway? The money is on the male side.

 

I would expect total transformation. Also, to be fair, their should be handicapping based on scientific studies.