Trans teen commits suicide due to transphobic parents

teenagers can be a handful. It's even worse today with on-line "friends"

I bet I could find a whole lot of on-line "friends" who would be supportive of me if I insisted that I was a bird.

Per his note, this boy was elated when he was given back his "social media" which frankly, is anything but social.

What does anyone think a teenager is going to say. If he insists that up is down and his "friends" agree, then he will rebel against his parents.

 

After his comment about being excited over his restored social network access, he stated even his friends from before didn't really like him anymore.

Something tells me we are missing part of the story....
His parents and his friends who already excepted his feminine side, all had issues with him. So it's not just because he wanted to be a girl.

Just a guess, but his angry personality may be what did him in.

 

Can I ask you an honest question? How would you feel if your own child turned out to be a Christian conservative who rejected everything you believe in?

 

Eh... the truth would be a lot more interesting than the "I would be fine with it" answer that will be presented.


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Personally, I'd think that my kid was an ignorant (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but I'd still love him and treat him right.

 

I will answer you honestly. I would not like it. I would be disappointed. BUT, I would not reject, demean, subject that child to brainwashing in order to change her. I would say that I disagree with you, that I don't relate to your beliefs, but I still love and accept you as you are.

Having said that, I will add that we're mixing apples and oranges here. You're talking about beliefs and this issue involves innate characteristics, the essence of who this child was a s a person. But of course, you will insist that transgenderism is, like homosexuality , a choice.

 

How do you reconcile harshly judging and condemning your child for being who they are with loving and treating them right? What you are saying here is the equivalent of Leelah's mother saying, "I think my son is a stupid f-a-g-g-o-t, but I still love him and treat him right anyway." Does that sound like love to you?

You guys like to pretend you're so moral and good, but you can't even follow your own beliefs. When it comes to treating other people with respect who are different from you, you simply can't do it. You have to judge and attack them. Even when they are your own children. How can you demand that other people should love unconditionally when you can't even do it, yourself?

 

Stupid BELIEFS are the result being exposed to stupid people which results ignorance and can be cured. And those stupid beliefs and ignorance inflict harm on others. Sexual orientation and gender identity are THE ESSENCE of who people are and it does not harm anyone. Your problem is that you can't get past the ridiculous idea that sexual orientation and gender identity are "beliefs".

 

I actually believe you here. And I both respect and admire that. The only other thing I would ask is if you would be open to learning some new things from your child despite them being different from you? Most parents reach a point (usually after their children become adults) where they recognize their child's ability to teach them new things about life that they hadn't previously considered simply because their experiences are different. It's a pretty interesting paradigm shift. My parents went through it with me, and I'm sure someday I'll go through it with my own child.

Thank you for answering this, by the way.

Are we really, though? How much of our beliefs is really under our direct control? Could you just decide to suddenly become a conservative today? Or would something inside you not allow it to happen? This is always a crazy subject to discuss because it tends to mess with people's ideas about free will, but I do think it's an interesting concept.

Why would you assume that? I understand that there are plenty of people who share my other political views who believe this, but be careful not to jump to conclusions. Honestly, I don't know enough about the true nature of transgenderism to be able to make a call on it. And the problem is that it's become so intertwined with politics that I'm not even sure where to look for credible, unbiased information about it. It's become a subject of increasing interest to me over the last few years because not one but two of my favorite musicians have now come out as transgender. And meeting them personally as men and then again later as women has been a very surreal experience. So this is a subject that is now imbedding its way further and further into my life and it's not really something I can ignore anymore.

My main concern as far as modifying society to accommodate it goes is the inevitable exploitation that will be used by some for nefarious purposes. Such as the horny teenage boys who will claim to be transgender in order to share a locker room with the girls at school. And being the father of a 12 year old girl, that (*)(*)(*)(*) ain't gonna fly with me.

As for homosexuality, I've got an extensive background in attraction science. So I'm well aware of the fallacy of the choice argument. Since no attraction is a choice. Choosing to act on that attraction might be a choice, but the attraction itself is never a choice.

 

Now you sound like those people who believe that homosexuality is learned and can be cured by reparative therapy. Be careful not to become the very thing you hate.

 

Attraction science? Tell us more.

 

Honestly, I'm not opposed to discussing this, but it's not mainstream stuff. So it's going to go over a lot of people's heads. And there's not really much point in opening up that can of worms if you're only interested in mocking it.

Basically, you have to be willing to step out of political correctness to understand how it works.

 

I love how every laymen becomes an expert psychologist with this discussion.

Your absurd idea doesn't work. You don't even remotely understand the problem.

Do me a favor, never stop posting your ridiculous ideas. We need an example to point at and tell children what not to be.

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I'm willing to discuss it. Political anything isn't relevant in the least.

 

your proposal

boy with mental issues= lop off dick

 

My proposal is leave the psychology to the experts.

Your obsession with penises doesn't really come into the equation.

Your proposal is screw all of science and education and tell somebody that they are being selfish and stop whingeing about it. How brilliant, how has this never worked before?

 

why waste such genius here on this forum?

If I knew everything there is to possibly know about all mental illness I'd fix it all. Your amazing cures should be shared with the world. It's quite selfish to keep them to yourself.

Not to mention how much money you could make.

 

not if the counselor said the reason she was doing this was because aliens implanted a control box in her brain. Reparative therapy has the same scientific evidence.

This is silly

Her.......you appear to be part of the problem.

Unless the community creates a hostile environment which is what we see here.

 

the problem with shade tree psychology is that people performing it neither have the expertise to ignore their own bias, our the education to understand the things that are occurring.

These people shouldn't be argued with they should be mocked and ridiculed.

 

You can call him what you want.... but his birth certificate and death certificate both say "male".
Gender dysfunction can't change the fact that he has male parts.

Right... because enabling people is not a problem.

Playing along with him like his friends did for awhile, and you still are, caused nothing but harm.

 

again, treat mental illness with genital mutilation while not budging the attempted suicide rate; sounds like a failed plan to me

why does it seem that you are so adverse to correctly treating mental issues but instead wish to support the fantasy in the mind of these people?

Why do you wish to perpetuate the misery of these troubled people? Do you honestly believe that an imbalanced person will become balanced if they get to use any restroom they wish?

 

They is usually several reasons why people commit suicide MOD EDIT - Rule 3 That is why they are looking at several factors. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

Do tell Mr Sunday

I might accept justification if the person has a terminal illness and no longer wants to burden loved one

But, what is the common thread among those who commit suicide and I don't care if it's because they lost their fortune, were called fatty or ugly, found their wife in bed with a horse etc etc

it comes down to the ability to cope with life. When you brush away all of the accusations, it still comes back to the individual.

I do not subscribe to the "born homosexual" theory however I do believe that some people are born with a chemical imbalance. That imbalance may make them more prone to be drinkers, drug abusers, smokers or even choose homosexual sex or claim to be something they aren't, like in the case of this boy.

Lopping off a wiener or letting a girl shower with boys does not address the root problem.

But, to try and have any rational discussion about that would result in hearing how bigoted it is to suggest that it's a medical/psychological problem with those choosing homosexual sex or claiming they are the opposite sex.

How can one even try and claim otherwise given the high rate of attempted suicide among those living an alternate sexual lifestyle. These people need our help, not to be patronized.

 

Isn't it amazing your entire argument seems to circle cutting off genitals?

This seems to be a recurring theme in your posts on the topics.

 

Oh wow such an impressive post. I'm so flabbergasted.

 

Why thank you Mr Sunday. Would you care to add anything? Would you like to address our family member who chose suicide and how it affected our family and what we have learned?