"Trans" Tinder date stomped to death

lock him up and throw away the key

killing someone cause your not sexual attracted to them is not a defense, you turn around and leave, simple

 

Umm, no...
The issue is he had already engaged in a sexual act with the other person -- even though that person was creepy looking, and he was probably not thinking entirely clearly due to being under the influence of cannabis -- and then he found out that person he had had sex with was a man!

Yeah, it should be totally understandable that he snapped.
What part of that aren't you able to get?

The poor teen black guy was caught between his sexual desires (not easy to control in an 18-year-old, especially black dude), mental impairment from being under the influence of drugs, and some creepy less attractive bitch... who he didn't even know at the time wasn't actually a woman.

The creepy white man took advantage of this teen.
If not exactly like rape, this was something kind of analogous to it.

If a woman kills her rapist, few blame her.

So why can't we have some sympathy for this black guy also?

No one is saying he shouldn't be punished. Just don't treat it like it is an ordinary murder. It's not.

Somewhere between three to ten years would be an appropriate sentence, in my personal view.

 

This guy should not be given tons of mercy. He's a cold killer and dangerous to society.

 

yeah, well now he will spend the rest of his life in prison, murder is never an option

could be he wanted to have sex with him and killed him so no one else would find out too

 

I think that is wrong. If I was the one in charge of punishment, things would be different.
Let's hope he gets a conservative judge that can see what that transvestite man did to him for what it is.

 

You mean because the next time a creepy older transvestite man tricks him he might kill them too?

Come on, I don't think you're being realistic here. This isn't a common everyday occurrence.
It's totally understandable why this teen lost it in this situation. It wasn't a "normal" situation.

 

Agreed

This was not even a quick death the poor person was beaten to death - there is NO absolutely NO excuse for that and i hope the perpetrator gets a long sentence in a prison with some interesting inmates

 

It's not understandable. The teen brutally killed a human being. If he can do it with this guy he can do it again. You seem to think it's natural to kill a gay when he tricks you but I guarantee you...its not.

 

The young teen brutally attacked a creepy old man who had tricked him, making him think he was a woman so he could engage in a sex act with him.
The teen was rightfully very angry when he realized that creepy old man had sucked his genital area.

Don't try to say the older man was not the least bit to blame for the teen attacking him.

It's unlikely that sort of extreme situation would come up again. This is not a usual situation.

I suppose you could argue that this demonstrates the young black guy is more likely to kill in the future... but I really don't see that black guy as being very likely to kill.

 

Blaming the rape victim, are we? Nice.

 

Exactly! This was not consensual. It was sexual assault.

 

Actually it's quite different to your scenario. This is about effectively an entirely different person .. not the same person consented to but who is poorer.

This is sexual assault, and meets all the criteria for that in terms of informed consent.

 

The victim (of the killing) sexually assaulted a much younger person. You're okay with that?

 

If an 18 year old girl was sexually assaulted by a 40 year old man, and retaliated with violence .. would you say the same thing? Would you suggest that she is a scumbag, and that her rapist was a victim?

 

Rot. 1: He is 18, the US age for legal sex. 2: He was on tinder. 3: He agreed to meet the person and having met them agreed to sex. CONSENSUAL sex. It was post coitus that the partner's sex was apparently discovered.

 

He did not consent to sex with a MAN. Therefore it was non-consensual. This is a legal minefield, and it's going to explode.

 

He consented to sex AFTER meeting the person. He could have withdrawn that consent anytime. He did not.

 

thou shalt not kill

 

sexual assault is "illegal sexual contact that usually involves force upon a person without consent or is inflicted upon a person who is incapable of giving consent (as because of age or physical or mental incapacity) or who places the assailant (as a family friend) in a position of trust or authority"

It doesn't sound to me like obfuscating personal information undermines consent in the eyes of the law. nor should it, imo. rarely do two partners actually know everything about eachother. granted, 'i'm actually a man' is on the extreme end of 'personal information', but still, I don't think thats enough to elevate it to 'sexual assault'. I think this is another in the long list of what I would call 'sexual fraud'... which is not, nor should be a crime ...its just immoral and should serve as a cautionary tale to people to be less frivolous in choosing partners. Certainly not a justification for killing.

 

Seeing as this was their second interaction I doubt the murderer was as unaware of his situation as he claimed. But then my guesses about how it went down are irrelevant.
That said, no more force should have been applied than it would take to either remove yourself from the situation or to restrain a perpetrator and hold for police. Stomping someone to death is not an acceptable response. It was murder.

 

I see you’re choosing to be hyperbolic.
If she successfully incapacitated the assailant, then proceeded to stomp their head in, yes, I would say the same thing. She would be a scumbag.

 

A trans woman isn't a woman that's why we call them trans women.

If you lie about this it's like lying about anything else it could and clearly did put someone's life in peril.

You can say and insist people are transphobic for not accepting trans women as women but no amount of berating will ever make them accept that.

When you say woman people think female females penises or testicles that's it.

 

I wouldn't. Traumatic experiences such as sexual assault can alter your reasoning.

The reality is none of this would have happened if they were just honest with each other.

 

Considering we don’t have the full story I don’t think it fair to put the blame on the victim. It’s not like he shot the guy. That would be quick and the loss of life would be somewhat understandable. Stomping someone’s head in takes a lot of effort. Plenty of time to stop yourself if you don’t intend to murder someone.

 

I’d be interested in getting into this topic with you. Probably in a more suitable thread though.