"Trans" Tinder date stomped to death

The “facts”, like ignoring legal terms? Or calling similar circumstances irrelevant for pages because it damages your “rape / sexual assault by fraud” narrative?

The only facts here are that no law enforcement office has verified Etute‘a claims that Smith was posing as a woman.

There is no legal determination of sexual assault or rape for lying to engage in non-forcable sexual activity.

Etute after their second meeting crushed every bone in Smiths face and left him to suffocate on his own blood.

In my opinion he deserves the maximum penalty that murder in the second degree brings in Virginia — “understanding” his “rage” isn’t warranted. Death is.

 

If what was reported by Etute is correct then what Smith did was indeed wrong. It doesn’t matter what society tells people, sexual partners have the right to know some characteristics such as their genitalia, their age, any STD’s and even down to their relationship status (last one is my opinion).

Him lying is definitely not deserving of what happened to him however.

 

The black guy was likely intoxicated on drugs. The other man took advantage of him in that state, and took advantage of the young black guy's difficult-to-control sexual desires at the time.

Look at the difference in the pictures. This was an 18 year old teen and a creepy looking older man.

It was wrong to trick the teen into engaging in a sexual act with person who was actually a man. Yes, that fact matters.

Maybe you don't see how that could emotionally and psychologically affect an 18 year old teen.

This was already the type of thing that teen was likely going to regret... but then to throw in the fact he had unwittingly had sex with a man.

It's wrong because it's a big form of sexual deception. It's almost in the same type of category as rape.

 

Not interested in legalistic arguments.

I was referring to race being Arbitrary.

La-di-da

Yes.

Agreed.

Than you should be after capital murder. A charge I also would agree with.

I don't seek to understand people to "warrant" anything, whatever that means. I do so because I am also human.

 

you don't know some Vegans

 

same as happened here

but both were misled and consented, had they of known, they may have made different choices - then again... maybe they did know

 

Some vegans can be deranged.

 

yes, so can some black people, some white people, ect...

in this case, it was a black person... that was my point

can that deranged Vegan claim rape if she "claimed" she was lied to as well?

 

Black and white isn't a dietary choice.

Anybody can claim anything they want to

 

doesn't matter, lying to someone to have sex is lying to someone

and "claiming" to be raped because one was lied to as a form of self-defense in murdering someone at a later date does not fly in any of those


"Anybody can claim anything they want to"

now that we agree with, even if the claim is a lie

 

Agreed.

 

How do you know he consented. What if he didn't. What if ONLY consented to sex with a woman?

That would absolutely be sexual assault.

 

But it IS sexual assault. It's sex with consent.

 

But they are still the SAME individual.

The pro-trans crowd will tell you (very very emphatically) that a transwoman IS a woman .. and is no way still the man he once was. Well, this guy was transing, so was a completely different individual than the one the kid agreed to have sex with.

 

Not per the legal definition of sexual assault in Virginia it isn’t
Where are you getting your definition from?

 

Irrelevant. Consent is the key, and that WILL be challenged in court eventually. It will conclude with a rape charge, because that's the way we go these days. The precedent will be set - and from that point on trans people will need to rethink their approach to sex.

 

Thanks for your opinion and psychic reading.

 

You make a good point if you didn't consent to have sex with a man and he didn't consent.

 

It's basically two different people, and he only consented to sex with one of them - the one which was 'exchanged' for the other at some point after the fact. That means NON-consensual sex. It will be tested in court, guaranteed.

The trans community need to sort their sh!t out. They need to stay out of our 'cis' lanes if they expect to stay alive and/or out of jail.

 

Trans people simply need to be straightforward. There's a lot of people that don't care I'm surprised at how many don't

 

Doesn't have to be a makeup job. I've chatted with a transwoman and had no inkling that she had transitioned. Being in the BDSM lifestyle and having met her at a play party, I've seen her in her underwear and still didn't know that she was trans until my family mentioned it to me two days later.

I've followed a web cartoonist who transitioned and I've seen her monthly update photos. Once the hormones are altered, the body changes pretty drastically.

I've not seen a whole lot of honesty in sexual encounters. Everyone is hyping themselves into seeming to be the best versions of themselves to get into someone else's pants. To me killing the trans woman for not being honest is the same as killing a CIS woman when you find out that she's not the virgin that she claimed to be.

NOBODY deserves to be killed like that.

Why? He had other options. He could have said a few unkind words, grabbed his clothes and stormed out of there. He did not have to physically lash out.

At best I'll grant that this was second degree murder (no premeditation) or even criminally negligent homicide.

 

You act like it's worse because of the trans aspect. This type of thing is equally wrong no matter who happens to be involved, and murdering the trickster is also equally wrong no matter such particulars. It's no better than murdering a CIS born member of the opposite sex, say, for deceiving you and taking advantage of you. We have laws and courts to handle things like that.

Otherwise you are behaving like a savage.

 

I agree, say the same about people that lie and say their single, ect....

but in no ways does it justify murder

 

no different from someone claiming to be single and then turn out to be married

murder is never an option

 

Lying about a legal status outside of minor or adult isn't lying about what you are

Absolutely not.