Trump’s negatives are at 56% in the polls

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Merrick Garland is not a Democrat.

    Christopher Wray is a Republican appointed by Trump.

    No borders are "open."

    You have no evidence that the IRS enforces tax laws based upon party affiliation.

    Paranoid delusions that comport with one's political bias are not persuasive.
     
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    Its because lot of 3rd party voters opted to vote against Trump.
     
  3. JohnHamilton

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    My world is real one. Your world is where you think you have anything in common with Calvin Coolidge. You don’t. Calvin was not a radical far left Democrat.
     
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    What a wonderful party line response! Like I said, you and Coolidge have nothing common.

    I have come to the conclusion that you are just making fun of him.

    The “border is not open” is a particularly telling example of towing the party line.
     
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    Your attempted diversion fails. You cannot refute my factual assertions:

    Merrick Garland is not a Democrat.​

    Christopher Wray is a Republican appointed by Trump.​

    No borders are "open."

    You have no evidence that the IRS enforces tax laws based upon party affiliation.​
     
  6. JohnHamilton

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    Merrick Garland is the most partisan AG in history. The only one close is Eric Holder. The over load on Trump is ample evidence of what he is. I don’t want Trump again, but using the Justice Department against political opponents of the administration is dead wrong and dangerous in a free country.

    Christopher Wray is an extreme Washington swamp creature. He is another example of a bad Trump appointee. His actions against parents who were only concerned about their kids welfare shows what he is.

    The borders are not open.” :roflol:

    Do you only watch CNN and MSNBC? The number of illegals who have invaded our country is up to 6 million and counting. New York City is going broke caring for them. Have you not seen that in the news? It’s not much better in Chicago to say nothing of the border towns in Texas.

    If you stick to this point, it’s a waste of time communicating with you. This is reaching crisis prepositions.
     
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    It’s not my Democrat Party as I reject both the DNC and RNC as neither are worthy of my respect.
     
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    Good! Then don’t give the Democrats any respect when run off the rails, Iikethey are with the open borders.
     
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    ~ Group-think can be very contagious . . .
    ~ Many of us have come to this conclusion many years ago .
     
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    Yes, the Republicans are often disappointing, but throwing your vote away on a third party makes no sense.
     
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    Neither side has my respect for their abysmal border policies. The left seems to prefer loose borders while the right prefer thoughtless and pricey non-solution solutions such as border fencing that is easily defeated by a ladder, cutting torch or gas powered circular saw with metal and cement cutting blades.

    As an independent I am sick and tired of both sides endless impotent bickering. Both seem more interested in scoring political points with their team than doing an honest assessment of the problem. Because of this I blame both.
     
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    That is the argument of the lesser evil. The problem with supporting the lesser evil is that it is to support evil. The USA’s potential is limited by accepting the lesser evil rather than finding more reasonable, reliable, moral and ethical representation.

    Sadly I don’t think Americans want reasonable, reliable, moral and ethical representation as much as we want politicians that share and pander to our biases.
     
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    Your personal opinion of the Attorney General (who has never been a Democrat) is noted.

    Your personal opinion of the Republican FBI Director appointed by Trump is noted.

    They are among the many people, including district attorneys, judges, special counsels, their families, former Trump administration officials, other Republicans who fail to kowtow to the 2020 Loser-in-Denial, and various celebrities about whom Trump is also pissy, of course. He is hysterical about being a documented "loser" and chronically projects:


    Many parrot Trump's attacking many Americans.


    Obviously, the borders are not open, despite hysterics parroting such a falsehood.

    Had illegal immigration been increasing during Trump's administration? Yes. At the Southern border, it had risen by 14.7% in 2020 compared with 2016.

    More than 9,000 immigrants were arrested for illegally crossing the southern border this past Thursday alone.

     
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    Okay, so you are against the border wall. You do know that modern technology includes cameras and sensors. You do know that it would give border agents a chance to enforce the border instead of doing nothing. What do you propose? … doing nothing?

    Stay in Mexico seemed like a reasonable policy. It made border jumping and living the taxpayers’ dime less attractive. Biden purposely trashed all of that and threw the border wide open. The illegals were ever wearing “Biden for president” tee shirts and flying his flag at first. That was a bit too blatant.
     
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    People are required to claim the border is open, even though the CBP apprehended 260 000 people in just one month in September, and over 2 million apprehensions and expulsions in 2023. Its a party requirement, so you have to say it even if you know its not true. Refusal to say it will result in labels like RINO. Its a sad state of affairs.
     
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    Keep wasting time writing BS, like “the border is not open.” Even the Democrats know that’s garbage, but they want the border because it’s their political future.

    “Arrested” does not equal deported.

    Do you care to comment about the illegal alien problem in New York City?

    BYW I hate Robert Di Nero. He is foul mouthed dirtbag. I will do all I can to keep every dime of my entertainment spending away from him.
     
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    I have no problem with a border wall. I have a huge problem with Trump’s easily defeated border fencing. A wall should be a barrier. Trump gave us an obscenely expensive obstacle as opposed to a barrier. If we are going to build a wall then let’s do it right! Trump’s wall was nothing but a thoughtless manifestation of a campaign slogan meant to rally partisans to his side as opposed to a serious attempt to address a serious and ongoing issue.

    Both Republicans and Democrats need to come together on a solution else what is done by one will be undone by the other next time they are in power.
     
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    The Democrats will never consent to controlling the border. They view the illegals as a major part of the future voter base. The most radical Democrats say that no one is illegal. They want them to come here and get on the dole in their “socialist paradise.”
     
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    ~ I agree with that 100%
     
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    Most were voting against both Trump and Clinton. 3% of Democrats voted third party, 4% of Republicans voted third party while 12% of independents voted third party. All total, 8.2 million folks voted third party out of the 137 million votes cast.
     
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    Then republicans need to abandon their partisan bullshit and present real solutions based upon the advice of nonpartisan experts in the requisite fields of study. Then republicans need to do better at PR in order to win over independents like me.

    Simply blaming the left is a feeble cop-out as both sides have played a part in the failure to secure our southern border. Republican need the support of people like me and my support cannot be won by simplistic talking points and biased political propaganda.
     
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    In 2016, sure, but I meant in 2020. I voted 3ed party in 2016 as did many others, but in 2020 far fewer people voter 3rd parties, because getting Trump out of the WH took priority
     
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    Exactly, 1.7% voted third party in 2020.That is more the norm. 2016 was extremely high, way above the average of 1.5%. I believe the third party vote for 2024 will also be very high as both Trump and Biden are disliked and unwanted to become the next president.
     
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    The border is not "open." That would mean unimpeded entrance and egress as in EU nations, Stop parroting the hyperbole.

    Families fleeing oppressive conditions have the right to petition for asylum under international law. Do you deny that?

    New York City has a problem with an influx of undocumented citizens, as do a number of areas.

    That is your prerogative. There are actors I don't like, but that does not concern their acting talent.

    The Loser calls Americans "Looser" when any have the temerity to criticize him.
     
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    These responses show that your Calvin Coolidge responses were a farce. Had you been alive in the 1920s, you might have supported progressive, Robert LaFollette, but it sure would not have been Coolidge. If not LaFollette, then it would have been support for the Bolsheviks.

    Your response to the New York City problems is utterly inadequate. Under privileged minority kids are getting pushed out of their parks, schools and gymnasiums because of aliens who have no business in this country. The New York City Police Department is underfunded and pushed to the limit with overtime.

    Political refugees are allowed in because of political persecution in their home country, not for economic reasons.
     

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