Trump’s negatives are at 56% in the polls

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  1. Natty Bumpo

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    As I explained to you, there are problems caused by an influx of undocumented families in a number of locales. Congress has long needed to legislate comprehensive immigration reform. Presumably, you do recognize that applicants for asylum have a right to have their cases assessed.

    If "under privileged minority kids are getting pushed out of their parks, schools and gymnasiums because of aliens who have no business in this country," please document those instances. Obviously, there is a serious problem with illegal immigration that needs to be addressed,

    I really don't have any interest in what you may think of Calvin Coolidge or Robert DeNiro.
     
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    If you followed the news, you would know what’s going on in New York City as well as Chicago. A significant number of minority people are becoming mad as hell at the Democrat Party in those areas. They resent the fact that Biden is pushing them out and giving their benefits to the illegals.

    But you can ignore me. That’s okay, because your ideology is blinding you to events that could seriously affect your party’s prospects in 2024. That’s good because you could be in for nasty surprise on Election Night.
     
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    Please document your claim that "Biden is pushing them out and giving their benefits to illegals."

    If you have a solution to the humanitarian crisis, I'd like to hear it.

    I'm not registered with either political party. I do not think that anyone, regardless of party, who denies the will of the People when they reject him should be allowed to participate in the democratic process. He has rejected it.
     
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    I don't think we will really know who will win until election day.
     
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    3 million more votes than Trump.

    Trump only won by a fluke of the electoral college.
     
  6. JohnHamilton

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    Those cases never will be "assessed." The court backlog is 3,000,000 cases. Most of them will never show up. They will simply stay here illegally. Many of them will have "anchor babies" who will be citizens. Then they have their foot firmly in the door.

    Deport them. Send them home where they belong if they don't have legitimate asylum claims. The vast majority don't have such claims. They are coming here for economic reasons.

    It's too bad that their country is poor, but we can't take all of them.

    As for pushing American citizens out of their benefits, it's happening. You know that's true but it does not fit your narrative. Therefore you result to the "prove it" strategy. It's a cheap way for a progressive to kill a point with no effort their part.
     
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    It is unfortunate that so many families are desperate. Were I in their place, I probably would not be overly concerned about bureaucratic requirements either, and would not be put off by demonization by some.

    The numbers seeking a better life in the United States have fluctuated during the past few administrations and, despite each pouring more money into border security, are bound to increase as the economy surges and the demand for cheap labor increases.

    As has been noted by both Democrats and Republicans, comprehensive immigration reform is desperately needed, yet politicians rather grandstand than effectively legislate.

    However, forces beyond our control dictate migration.
    ... Tony Payan, director of the Center for the United States and Mexico at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy, wrote in a March 15 blog post that “the current situation at the border is neither a unique crisis nor the result (yet) of Biden’s policy changes.”

    In a phone interview, he told us that while the apprehension numbers are spiking now, “this is not a new crisis.” Instead, it has been going on since 2014, “when we first saw unaccompanied minors and family units arriving at the border and turning themselves in,” and the problem has plagued each administration since.

    As the chart above shows, apprehension spikes under the past two presidents in 2014 and 2019 similarly included sizable increases in family units and unaccompanied children arriving at the border.

    Other immigration experts, writing in the Washington Post, agree that “the current increase in apprehensions fits a predictable pattern of seasonal changes in undocumented immigration combined with a backlog of demand because of 2020’s coronavirus border closure.” It’s “not a surge,” they said.

    Overall, Payan said, “The patterns of migration do not seem to correlate to any specific U.S. immigration policy. The numbers seem to go up and down on a logic of their own.” People leave their home countries for reasons other than U.S. policy, such as deteriorating economic, political or public safety conditions.

    [https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/the-facts-on-the-increase-in-illegal-immigration/]
     
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    I don't get why someone who spouts white supremacist rhetoric, such as claiming that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation, has even a snowball's chance in hell of being president. I don't get how so many voters can just set aside their civic responsibility as voters and vote for someone so hateful and divisive, unless they are white supremacists themselves. He is also careful about how he does it, never going into detail and explaining his use of the phrase, but associating it with immigrants allegedly bringing drugs and disease into the country, giving himself that out while also leaving intact a dog whistle that the kinds of extremists who led the January 6 insurrection will pick up on and which is all too likely to lead to threats and violence against minorities by his nuttier loyalists.
     
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    Hear why Bill Barr says he's offended by Trump's recent comments
     
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    Rep. Chip Roy says this GOP candidate would 'clean Trump's clock' in debate


    Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) talks with CNN's Kaitlan Collins about his support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and why he thinks former President Donald Trump has not joined in any debates.​
     
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    Trump is unelectable. Even if he’s right on 95% of the issues, he’ll make a stupid statement, like this blood poisoning comment, and turn off the voters in the center. Trump’s huge ego will not allow him to listen to any of his advisors. He runs around like a bull in a china shop, and wrecks everything, leaving the country to the frail, corrupt, senile and incompetent Biden, who will campaign from the Whitehouse.
     
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    You would have thought Trump would have learned from her mistake, but no, - he used Nazi rhetoric to attack Dems by calling them "vermin", who needed to be exterminated
     
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    What MATTERS to the VOTERS is NEITHER Biden nor the TRAITOR-in-Crap.

    That dumbass, "are you better off now", question will be what MOTIVATES which way they WILL want to VOTE.

    Short of a major recession with LAYOFFS in the MILLIONS the ECONOMY and INFLATION will NOT determine the OUTCOME of the election.

    BECAUSE what We the People will be ASKING themselves is HOW can I be better off WITHOUT my RIGHT to HEALTHCARE and/or the RIGHT to healthcare for my LOVED ONES?

    Sounds like 2008 and Obamacare again?

    The MOTIVATION is different but SIMILAR.

    Back then healthcare was OUT of CONTROL thanks to Xtofascist controlled GOP MALFEASANCE.

    TODAY healthcare is OUT of CONTROL thanks to Xtofascist controlled GOP MALFEASANCE.

    Denying HEALTHCARE to over 50% of the population is a DUMBASS move but that is EXACTLY what the Xtofascist controlled GOP has already done and continuing to do as we speak.

    Ultimately it will NOT matter one iota whomever fills the RED or BLUE slots on the 2024 ballots.

    What matters is WHO will UPHOLD the Healthcare RIGHTS of the MAJORITY of the nation.
     
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    Thank you for laying out the future. Biden will win and Trump will go back to Florida and screen “ I won election, I won election”
     

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