Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules

Yes, I think I do.

 

In 2020, migration was near record lows due to the pandemic.
It was not implemented to slow much of nothing. It certainly wasn't out of control in 2020.

Title 42 didn't end until 2023. And yet 2022 and 2021 were record highs at the border.

 

Does that graph tell you how many were sent back and how many are free here waiting for a hearing?

 

No. That's where this left off.
Neither of us have been able to find how many are expelled, it seems.

I did find a story where 25-27% of those in 2022 where repeat immigrants trying to get in.
It said, while apprehensions were up, individual apprehensions were down. Due to repeat offenders.

 

The claim is about a third are let in and that is high class BS. Nobody gets a body count on those who get away so they're a wilds card.

 

Well, I can claim 99% or 1%.
But without verification, all it is, is a claim without evidence.

 

No, just most. Mayorkas told Border Patrol that the number is "above 85%" being released into the interior. Did you think most were being turned away?

The reason they're flooding to the border in record numbers is because they're virtually all being allowed in. There's a reason they're flagging down border patrol and it isn't because they are being sent back. Did you think the migrants were really that stupid to turn themselves in only to be turned away?

Only Democrats think we aren't releasing them into the interior. This "crisis" is manufactured by design.

 

Most are released internally.

 

Yes they are

 

Huh? That's in the Constitution? "If they done committed bribery an ****, then they can't be president."

 

DOA for many reasons.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

 

Correct. Primarily because it would actually do what Republicans want done on the border.

 

Never read the part about impeachment and bribery being one of the reasons you can't be President?

 

That's precisely your problem---there isn't any bribery.

"BBbbbut there's a gigantic mountain o' evidence! HHHHUUUUGE piles of facts and stuff!"

No, my friend. There's zilch.

 

There is actual evidence. Meanwhile the left only has circumstance and vague interpretation yet that seems to be enough when involving Trump.

 

the result of an immoral policy (HR2 abusive to children) does not have a moral result.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

For example, we could shoot everyone crossing the border, which would reduce the numbers crossing to zero, but the result would be immoral.

Therefore, a result at the expensive of children's welfare and mental health is not a moral result which is to say, not a valid result that can be used as a comparative basis.

The Senate Bill, took many of it's acceptable provisions and refocused the policy to be more moral and less damaging to children (as much as we can try to do) in which the lead negotiated was a Republican, which passed bipartisan in the Senate, but Speaker Johnson won't put it to the floor.

See,. Lil Mike, in order for a bill to be passed, it must be acceptable to both parties.

HR2 wasn't. But the Senate Bill is.

And repubs in the house won't put it to the floor.

So, the border crisis is now owned by Republicans in the house.

 

Yeah, it's a lot better to keep children with traffickers and rapists until we can confirm familial relationships. Do you know the abhorrently high percentage of women and girls who are raped and sexually abused by coyotes on their journey across the border? You're so "moral" for supporting such a policy. When people are arrested for committing a crime, it is customary to separate children from adults. That's how detention facilities work.

 

Since when does Washington care about the morality or immorality of a policy? If it takes putting boots on the ground to secure the Southern border, then that's what we should do. The idea that our military could not engage in one of its basic functions, is a massive security risk to this country.

It means if Mexico really wanted to, it could launch an invasion from its borders and we would be late to a response. Does the military even have a plan for such an instance?

Like, for now they're smuggling drugs and criminals but American docility at the border might encourage more radical ideas.

 

You are free to point out how HR2 torture's children, as you seem to imagine.

As I've been saying for a while, the left views immigration primarily as a moral issue and the right views it primarily as a public policy issue. There doesn't seem to be much overlap on the Venn diagram. It's one of the reasons that so little is ever done on immigration because we can't even agree on the problem and what we want fixed. The border, as it is now, seems to be exactly what the left wants and believes is equitable, so they simply are not going to negotiate in good faith on this issue. This ends when one side or another achieves an overwhelming electoral victory and establishes it's preferred solution.

The way to bet is that victory is going to be by the left, so long term, I think you'll get your state of permanent open borders and unending amnesty. You just won't like the end result of that.

As far as bipartisan compromise goes, in my opinion (and obviously I'm not speaking for the GOP House, let alone the Senate) the compromise is that you get money for Ukraine and Israel, and we get an immigration bill something like HR2. For reasons I've just pointed out, it's fruitless to try to negotiate just on immigration.

 

There is no perfect solution. HR2 is worse.

The senate bill, which is bipartisan, is better.

 

Question has an assumed premise.

Prove your premise first, then I'd be happy to answer your question.

(though it's probably rhetorical, anyway).

 

Looks like over a million expulsions in 2022

Nationwide Enforcement Encounters: Title 8 Enforcement Actions and Title 42 Expulsions Fiscal Year 2022
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/title-8-and-title-42-statistics-fy22

 

the link thoroughly explains how it is problematic.

I did not use the word 'torture' so please do not put words into my mouth.

 

So abusive.