Trump's New Estimate: 100,000 Death.... A Success Story

In our system, its the States that have police power, the Federal Government's powers are much more proscribed. The Republican Governors stepped up, and have death rates that compare favorably with the best run societies in the world, the Blue States have death rates among the worst in the world, with Cuomo having the world's worst.

The Red States prepared better and responded better. The Blue States failed and now want to blame someone else.

Republican governors are already re-opening their state economies. This will come with new challenges to be faced, but certainly they are not wrong simply for not aping the policies of Democratic governors.

The national government has an obvious and sizeable role in a global pandemic of this sort. It has primary authority over international matters and on matters that cross state borders. States governments—and state governors—have the primary formal power over the health, safety, and welfare of the people in their state, they also have fine-grained information about their state’s demographic and economic characteristics.

The lack of preparation for a pandemic cannot be laid solely at the feet of the national government in the U.S. The demographic factors and other unique circumstances, say, of New York are well known to New Yorkers. It does not take a genius to recognize the special risks that New York City or San Francisco, or Chicago would face in a pandemic. Even Stevie Wonder could see that they needed more extensive measures and safeguards to guard against and contain a potential pandemic.

https://lawliberty.org/virus-deaths-in-democratic-versus-republican-states/

 

But others have

Hang on.......

Weren’t you the one running with the gatewaypundit story about how the mortality rate was simply a figment of the Chinese imagination?

 

If republicans were so smart and organised why is America now leading the world in Coronavirus related deaths? I mean you have a Republican President and senate.......

 

It is 29% of the total deaths and that percentage has dropped 4 points over the last week. This virus is spreading and it is a fools errand to pretend that New York, New Jersey, or any other State that leans in a particularly political manner you oppose will remain the hotspot indefinitely.

Edit: I notice that you posted your specific numbers, so I just wanted to clarify that I am using covidtracking.com as my source for State level data.

When using WorldofMeters, my point remains though. One week prior, the total deaths were 59,266 and New York constituted 39% (23,144). So New York's share of the total deaths dropped by 4% over the course of a week.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200429010622/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

bummer.

 

Why in the hell did this man order COVID19 patients returned to their nursing homes?


FL Gov DeSantis has a much larger elderly population than NY yet the death rate is only 4% of NY. I know this is an older chart, but not much has changed percentage wise.

 

Cuomo is like all the Cuomo's. Interested in advancing their political careers

 

Whatever his reasons, a LOT of people died for it. The Nursing home owners tried to push back. No one would listen. First Cuomo claimed ignorance, then they made it clear to those speaking up that they better shut up or they were going to lose their licenses.

If true, apparently he fancies himself a thug.

 

That's not the death rate. That's the deaths per million. And it is an extremely old chart, but the numbers for Florida are definitely still better than NY.

The deaths per million is 986.6 vs 65.9, and the mortality is 6.06% vs 3.89% (as of sunday).

 

Or thousands of counts of felony negligence causing grave bodily harm and/or death. Basically involuntary manslaughter with each charge carrying a ten year prison sentence.

 

Laws don't apply to Liberals, or if they do we can think of millions of excuses for them. Cuomo won't face any consequences, outside of hopefully New Yorkers ousting him and De Blasio in 2022, but New York has not been known for its smart voting decisions. It's mini-California.

 

So the same as I posted here.

And using the phrase

for statistics from March 30th is a little overboard.

This just proves my point of

Cuomo’s allowing others or should I say ordering the return of COVID19 patients to nursing homes rapidly spread the infection to the most vulnerable. Even so, by your stats you have a 50% greater chance of surviving in FL as you do in NY when infected with Coronavirus, and a 10 times greater chance of contracting the virus in NY than in FL.

 

We've already passed 70,000 in early May. There will be more than 100,000 deaths.

 

Over 70,000 deaths happen every 10 days in this country. 250,000 deaths every month.

 

And?

 

The biggest problem with these "But X number of people die from Y every year" efforts at dismissing the threat of covid-19 is the fact that those deaths are expected. Society is built around expectations and the causes of death that you want to highlight, be it cancer or stroke or vehicle accidents, those deaths are built into the economic and political models upon which Society operates.

Any time you introduce a brand new cause of death and especially one that produces death and destruction of the scale of Covid-19, all attempts to just dismiss it because some other cause of death also kills 1,000 Americans a day, will be unpersuasive.

And that's without accounting for the fact that Covid-19 - unlike the other causes of death - is CONTAGIOUS.

 

Most diseases are CONTAGIOUS!

 

So

Is a drop in the bucket.

 

This is the exact reasoning why this virus is so political. The left wants to blame every death on COVID19 when the facts don’t even come close to supporting that fact. When we count an 82 year old with emphysema after 60 years of smoking to die from Coronavirus then I have a major problem with that. I heard an interview in which a guest speaker stated the average age of Americans that have died from COVID19 is over 80 years old. That’s older than the US life expectancy. I’m willing to wager a lifetime ban from Political Forum to anyone that the average yearly death total and the life expectancy DOES NOT change except for the normal rate of growth which I believe for the number of deaths in the US increases by .06% each year and the life expectancy raises by a couple months.
Any takers on this bet?

 

Do not intentionally edit my posts, especially if you are going to leave off relevant information from the argument.

If that 82 year old died from Covid-19, then she died from Covid-19 regardless of whether you have a problem with it. The vast, vast majority of people who died from Covid-19 would have survived, but for the Covid-19.

I will not take that bet, but I will note that the early data so far is that the number of deaths from all causes far, far outpaces the ordinary and expected death totals from all causes for the same timeframe in the areas of the country which have been hardest hit by covid-19.

 

How in the hell did I edit your post? I extracted a sentence word for word from your post that I replied to.
Here’s the sentence, or shall I say part of the run on sentence that I extracted.

From your original post of

Please show below where in the hell did I edit any part of the phrase I replied to.

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Any time you introduce a brand new cause of death and especially one that produces death and destruction of the scale of Covid-19

 

You didn't even quote the full sentence and that's the intentional edit because the rest of that sentence was absolutely relevant. Just quote the full passage and place in bold the specific portion of the post that you'd like to focus upon next time.

 

No sh*t Sherlock. That’s why I posted this.

And if you think your opinion of

Then may I suggest you refrain from public speaking as many of your listeners will start to drift.

 

C’mon guys!!! Where’s the believers? Any gamblers out there, or should I say anyone want to back their statement? Don’t let this Pussitis control your thought process like the liberal left news controls it. Any guts out there? Anyone want to go to Coronado and try your hand at BUDs training? Hell week ain’t so bad. Just wait till SERE training.

 

I already said this in post #145.

I will not take that bet (pretty sure it violates PF rules anyways), but I will note that the early data so far is that the number of deaths from all causes far, far outpaces the ordinary and expected death totals from all causes for the same timeframe in the areas of the country which have been hardest hit by covid-19.