U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

Italy does not have anything like what Mexico and all of central and south America has going on. You realize a whole continent is in the mix right, not just one country that makes Italy look like a pea?

And tell me what gangs you have that are the exact equivalent of the bloods, crips, MS-13, Mexican Mafia, Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, Sorenos, Nortenos, Latin Kings, or Folk Nation?

Yeah....none. Bye bye now.

 

Are you nuts? There is a list of the most powerful cartels in the world. Italy got not 1 but 2 in the top five. And they are both bigger than the biggest Mexican cartel. While the US is not in it. Them Italian mobs pretty much govern a huge part of that country.

You don't realize the ENTIRE WORLD is in the mix. You can freaking order by e-mail something from China and have it in your house within a week no problemo. A heck of a lot of people in the UK got ties with Pakistan etc. That's a stone throw away from Afghanistan where massive amounts of opium and heroine is being made. Distance means nothing. Them Italian gangs really aint like, oh crap, a border.. can't do business across it. They went global.

About every gang is about the illegal drug trade to make money. And people use a lot of drug in London. In fact, the drug residu in the sewage in London are three time as high as party drug capital Amsterdam. You're just incredible naive. It shows that you totally forgot about the ‘Ndrangheta and the Camorra syndicates and don't realize they don't care about any border.

 

Want to end that in a heartbeat?

 

Booze and guns are not the best mix, but at least you agree that citizens have the right to protect themselves.

Still your posts really seem to want to limit police officers' actions when dealing with non-compliant suspects. You believe a cop must positively identify a threat before opening fire. I say that is not always possible to know for sure if a gun or knife or other weapon is being deployed by the suspect when they are often rapidly moving and squirming----in low light many times.

I would never fault an officer for shooting a non-compliant suspect acting in a very odd manner who disregarded commands to keep their hands up and then grabbed for something in their pants.

Speaking of morals, I am more outraged at 17 thugs being allowed to kill each other in a city like Chicago for every one shot by cops. Who is doing the most bad? The thugs or the cops?

 

Being irresposible and handling firearms is not a good combination. You're correct. The picture there was only meant to illustrate a point.

There are methods taught to deal with noncompliant people without using lethal force. Every one of our men and women in the armed services are taught it and expected to abide by it. Our armed forces and our civilians are required to positively identify a threat before using lethal force I don't think it's wrong to expect the same of our LEOs.

It's a hard job. But just like our military and other people that take an oath. They are required to hold themselves to a higher standard. They do not get to have bad days. They are not allowed to make mistakes and get away with them.

When you take an oath you admit that you are willing to give up your life in defense of those ideals you swore to uphold. Drawing too quickly. Or beating a person to death simply because they did not comply is a disgrace to that oath. And needs to be punished most severly.

I decided not to hold myself to that standard. I did not want to live that life because I knew I could not. My twin brother and father did. And every time someone in uniform puts their life before the ideals they swore to uphold is an affront to their sacrifice. And those good people that turn a blind eye to it are doubly guilty.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/
The number of police shootings is once again a distraction from the real issue. Violent crime, and shootings by criminals are at an alarming all time high.

 

Well. Ish. LEO use of force and shootings have been climbing at an exponentially steady rate since the 80s while "criminal" violence has been ebbing and flowing pretty much with the economic standard since the same timeframe.

Violent crime doesn't worry me as much. Often it is turf vs turf. Ect. Whereas LEOs have been beating shooting and raping otherwise law abiding citizens with virtual impunity more and more all the while folks continue to excuse their behavior as a few bad apples.

 

Don't act like those are the only 2 factors. Since the early 90s, we've added over 12,000,000 concealed carriers to the mix. Criminals are thinking twice about committing crimes because their victims may fight back. Surely, that is a contributing factor to lowering violent crime.

 

Try to keep up. You're not helping the cause for 2a rights here. Dude just posted a link talking about a higher crime rate.

Seriously. Some of you folks need to think before you speak.

Anyway. Time for sleep. I need to work another probably 16 hour day tomorrow.

 

I would think it's a systemic cultural lack of trust for authority figures. Police don't often kill people just because they want to watch them die.

 

Yes I do.

 

The Sinaloa cartel is the most powerful in the world, the Italian mafia is well past it's good days.

Stop pretending the UK or Italy is some hard place where you have to be tough to live in. They are nothing. Europeans today wouldn't last 10 minutes in the streets of Mexico without being toyed with . For Christ sakes you guys get killed in San Francisco which is like one of the most sissy cities we have.

 

End the drug war.

 

Lol knew you were going to say that.

Then what happened when these drug cartels concentrate more on the sex trade? do we then make prostitution and sex with children legal?

After that then there is gun running, do we make all guns legal?

Then there is illegal immigration, do we just make our borders 100% open?

Then there is the hijacking of goods and holding them hostage, the goods are legal already so how do we stop that? You do realize drug cartels are the reason limes have shot up in price right?

You guys think the cartels are only making money off of drugs, when the fact of the matter is that they have their hands in many things to make them money. They are a hydra, cut off one head and they will grow another.

 

I would have no problem with prostitution being legal. What two consenting adults do is no business of mine.

As to the other illicit activities? Why are they involved in them? To make more money and have more power. With their primary source of illicit money now legal you would see them focus more on it as is less risky.

Illegal immigration? I don't have a good answer other than to take away the government handouts that turns them into a burden. Just from a security standpoint completely open borders wouldn't work. But allowing folks to come here and become productive members of society is what was intended when the country was created. So removing the handouts would be a big step in the right direction.

 

Not enough.

 

My god. You clearly have a very limited understanding of the drug war, don't you?

Additionally, sex trafficking? Illegal immigration? Different sports, different ballparks. Get out of here with your deflectionary cry baby BS.

 

"Violent crime" includes, for example, breaking a window or giving your idiot neighbour a slap, so that 27% isn't quite as cut and dried as you might assume. Much of the rise is acknowledged to be the result of our conservative government's obsession with austerity measures, including a drastic reduction in police numbers and recruitment. The powers that be also decided that 'stop and search' has been curtailed with the obvious result that fewer knife-carriers are being detected.

 

We could use a mass of Judge Dredd's out there the bad guys would (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves. A law abiding citizen should never be afraid of a cop.

 

Couldn't you find shoes that fit?

 

The way these Anti Trump "protesters" are acting, they should shoot more.
A riot is not a peaceful protest.

 

Bingo. Eliminate their primary source of funding and let LEO concentrate their resources on real crimes with real victims.
Hell, you should legalize gambling everywhere too.
Use the taxes generated for treatment programs instead of warehouse jails.

It's a straw argument that you are using. I expect that from liberals, not conservatives.
Weed isn't illegal because it is a drug. It was made that way because people saw it as competition for their cotton trade.
They bribed politicians into demogouing the issue.

See the Marijuana tax act of 1920. That was the first federal drug law.

 

Knife point rapes are up 26% so you might want to consider asking your representatives to spend a little less time investigating whose telephone voicemail may have been hacked by tabloid journalists and more time focusing on immigrant group houses and gang violence.

 

Here's the reality in a nutshell.
Maybe JD Rockefeller can sway you?

My own personal respect for law enforcement has been greatly lessened because the entire idea that we should be protected from ourselves has created an atmosphere in which Officers and Lawmakers see themselves as our overlords instead of our servants.
Just try to talk to a policeman in any major city. Say hello and they sneer back at you as if you are some kind of bug.
And I'm a bald 59 year old white guy.
I hate to think what happens to other people.

 

You do drug cartels run all of that as well do you not? Whats wrong, too much truth for you to handle and can't BS your way out of with a typical answer to legalize everything under the moon?

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The thing is that marijuana is not the only thing cartels push. You forgot cocaine, meth, and heroine. Shall we legalize all that as well?

And no it is not a straw argument since everything I listed is carried out by drug cartels.