U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

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  1. MrNick

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    Well citizens of the UK have been raped of their guns...... That's why you have issues with stabbings. Care to mention the fact that now you just stab people?

    Also, if it matters police shootings are down in the US...
     
  2. MrNick

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    Also I love how people from other countries are like "your guns are an issue" - no they're not.... The (*)(*)(*)(*)ing ghetto of Chicago is extremely dangerous, but they don't just walk into a store and buy guns like you Europeans portray our system to work...

    No, you just cant walk into a store and buy a gun like candy.
     
  3. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Started out as a military policeman in the Army in 1974 at age 19. By age 24, I was out of the Army and was a Deputy Sheriff in CA, and then moved to the Pacific Northwest where I was a police officer until I retired in '08. Now I teach new recruits in a police academy.

    One of the things I always tell them is that if they think their first responsibility is to go home safe, get out now. This is the wrong profession for you. Their first responsibility is to protect the public, and that duty is inherently dangerous.

    I strongly believe they are to be the sheepdogs - harmless to the flock, but willing to fight to the death against the wolves. It's a profession that is not for everyone.

    My two cents ... :oldman:
     
  4. CJG

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    I'm glad to hear that. I really am. Though folks like you appear to be lacking in either number or fortitude anymore.
     
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    A culture created mostly by stupid drug laws. When prohibition ended the crime surrounding alcohol ended.

    Increased police powers (at the cost of individual rights and freedoms) leads to far more altercations which results in far more killing. Your moral judgment on whether or not someone deserves to be killed is of no moment. You do not get to decide who deserves killing and who does not (and thank goodness for that).
     
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    The straw argument is trying to make human trafficking equal to the drug trade.
    Yes legalize all of the drugs. Stop trying to make government everybody's daddy.
    Cheap legal drugs will lower the crime rate. If they don't have to pay $100 for a fix of heroine that costs $2 to produce they will leave your air conditioner and power lines alone.
    If you do that you will have more money to stop the human trafficking element.
    Stop trying to tie all of it together as if a vice is equal to enslaving people.

    Sinners are going to sin.
    It is between the sinner and God, not the government.
    Human trafficking is different.
     
  7. snakestretcher

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    We were never "raped" of our guns because we never had any more than a very few in circulation in the first place. Apart from a few sporting shooters complaining there was nothing but applause when handguns were finally outlawed. We don't want, need or like the pointless bloody things.
     
  8. logical1

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    No doubt the country will be better off without those 385 thugs.
     
  9. CJG

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    You folks keep pretending that these we're all folks who had a life dedicated to crime.
     
  10. GeddonM3

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    Really ? So we make all drugs legal and let them users just sort themselves out eh?

    So what's your stance when a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing crack head is too doped up to get a job, make the tax payers fund his or her ass and support their drug habit on top of that? Yes I can't wait to see the next SJW issue of drug users rights and how us working class folks are supposed to handle their burden as well.

    And no, you are right as drugs and human trafficking are not the same, human trafficking is much worse especially when you get into sex trade.

    Then when we can't control that, because we are too busy supplying drug users with their daily dose of crack and further dumbing down the people of this country, we just simply legalize sex trade all around so we can just tax pedophiles and rapists because it's too hard to take care of. Besides we must confront worse issues like making sure Bradley can get naked in the girls bathroom.

    The lefts ideas on this will end up like their gun free zones, a huge fail.

    So again, what's your stance after you get your wish and allow crackheads to be crackheads, you gonna push for the working class to wipe their asses as well?
     
  11. CJG

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    There are concequenses for decisions. So. Yup.
     
  12. Aphotic

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    The war on drugs is an unconstitutional MESS. Created and perpetrated by both parties. Neither of which have been held accountable, because of charlatan opinions like yours.
     
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    Well that is a wrong assumption because I to believe our government harshly (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up in the war on drugs. Their actions were idiotic, not thought out and had the very wrong intentions from the get go.

    My problem is idiots who think simply making everything legal is the only and best option ever.

    There is a middle ground, but we have 2 sides that want their way and their way only.
     
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    The constitution does not allow a middle ground. That's the end all be all. Opinions like yours keep enabling and empowering the government to have extreme authority in punishing our citizens without due process. Additionally, the way the government functions shatters any notion of "private property", so much so that I am often left aghast at the hypocrisy of most right wingers on the notion.

    Not one single drug on the list of controlled substances is any worse then the (*)(*)(*)(*) that is peddled by big pharma with the government stamp of approval; so the basic idea that consumables are -ok- with the government saying so is strictly iconoclastic to the right wing agenda.

    But I do enjoy seeing your lot squirm when faced with the truth.

    Hypocrites.
     
  15. GeddonM3

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    Who said I was down with undue process? Oh wait that is you making (*)(*)(*)(*) up in your head again. Lost the last ASSumption so now you trying harder for a new one.

    And no, the constitution is not absolute, it's a living and breathing document and can be taken in a series of ways, only one who is stuck on his or her side being the only way out is shallow enough to believe as you do.

    I do not want the government to have unlimited power over us, I wish for the country to be returned to the people and the government officials do their job as public servants rather than the rulers they have turned themselves into.

    Now, again please enlighten me on how I am some liberal nanny who thinks government should be all powerful over us again!!!
     
  16. Aphotic

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    Liberal nannies agreed with NY banning Soda Sizes due to the obesity epidemic in this nation.

    Folks like you agree that the government can restrict consumables, which is unconstitutional.

    And no, the constitution is the SUPREME law of the land. ANY statute or ordnance which infringes upon it is unconstitutional - just like restricting interstate commerce and arbitrarily criminalizing naturally occurring plants; in addition to restricting consumables; and smashing apart the notion of private property by enabling rogue justices the authority to declare no knock warrants.

    The war on drugs must end. And it must be ended with extreme prejudice.

    Anything less enables too much centralized control over personal property, interstate commerce and liberty for the people.
     
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    I was against the stupid measure in New York, please try again.
     
  18. Aphotic

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    But you're not against the outlawing of substances like heroin, or pot. You're not against the ridiculous jail for profit this country has become.

    So yeah, you are for banning that soda. Because that soda causes a hell of a lot of obesity, and a hell of a lot of disease, and death, and inflation of medical care prices. Doesn't it? So yeah, you do agree with it.You have too, or you're a hypocrite.
     
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    Imagine what things will be like once the state has a monopoly on force.
     
  20. CJG

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    What Do you mean once they have it? They already do.
     
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    No, they don't.
    The people still retain the right to use force in self-defense.
     
  22. CJG

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    A few states have gone the right direction in solidifying the citizens right to use force against a cop if they are illegally entering their home. But that's about it. Try shooting a cop who is in the wrong with an arrest and see if you still think they dont have a monopoly on force.
     
  23. notme

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    They aint.
    http://fortune.com/2014/09/14/biggest-organized-crime-groups-in-the-world/

    Stop pretending US is some hardcore place like it's Mad Max. The cops just go mental on civilians. I do believe we have seen A LOT of police brutality of the past years with cops shooting people who are running away, and the governments ending up paying millions in damages,.. that you must have notices. And do note... it's by default an American cop.
     
  24. CJG

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    And shooting ROTC students for holding Wii remotes and beating guys to death cause they didn't keep their hands on their knees with their legs straight. And shot women Cause a dog scared them and slipped in the snow. And yet it's still excused.

    Want to see the negligence and criminal activity cease? Require cops be bonded and take any settlements in excess of that bond out of their general pension fund. You would see cops policing their own with a quickness.
     
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    Chicago is attributing their huge rise in crime directly to the assault on police by the media.
    http://www.npr.org/2016/03/11/469974819/chicago-murder-rate-spikes-less-aggressive-policing-blamed
     

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