Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    Yes...judging from the post....one can assume all Bradley's have been lost, same as Leopards,and HIMARS.....toss in F16s also that haven't made it to theater.

    Yup, Patrushev....that's a reliable mouthpiece.

    Like I said ....thanks for the $hitpost.
     
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    It's funny when you look what this pedobear said in the past. For example in March 2022 he announced, that Donbas army of Ukraine is already surrounded and later, that Himars will not give any effect on battlefield or that Russia will win on August 2023(I guess victory is close, as it's July now?). Looks like in chasing little girls in internet or licking Putin's boots Ritter is much better, than in military analysis. But "free thinkers" have golden fish memory, they just don't remember what this pedobear and other Russian propagandists told them yesterday.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny, I see all the contradictory information here and wonder....are we thinking America 1st in any of this?
     
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    The day Obama, Biden and Nuland and Co conjured up the 2014 Coup to remove the last Democratically elected president of "the ukraine" was certainly not putting America first. Everything that follows is because of their greed and corruption.
     
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    Briefly about politics

     
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    Why Zelenskiy or Porasenko are less democratic elected presidents than Yanukovych was? You will newer get clear answer to this question from this bot, because their aim is 1000 time copy and paste all the same mantras all the time for years now.
     
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    There is no material replacement for boots on the ground. Ukraine cant win a war of attrition with Russia no matter how much stuff we send em. They dont have the manpower.

    It was true when Russia invaded and it still is- we're going to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian. ...still no explanation how that helps Ukraine in the long run.
     
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    THE CATASTROPHIC MELTDOWN OF THE UKRAINE PROJECT
     
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    Rihanna's husband A$AP Rocky created the decoration...
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    You have problems to understand English?
     
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    I will try to explain, for the hardheads like you, how Ukraine defense against genocidal invasion of Russia with aim to destroy Ukraine as nation and country will help Ukraine in the long run - Ukraine state and nation will exist and will not be destroyed. There will not be massacres of civilians, like in Bucha, all over Ukraine. And you know, it's strong motivation for millions of Ukrainians to fight for this goal.
     
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    Your propaganda sources may be lying to you about Bucha too:

    https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzan...ha-too-inconvenient-to-be-discovered--3773388

    "Social 'preconditioning' of an audience unused to critical thinking is an essential step in getting this audience to accept at face value anything that is put before it, regardless of how egregiously the facts of the story strain credulity.

    "And let’s be clear – the Ukrainian narrative of the events in Bucha seems to stretch credibility.

    "The chronology of the narrative produces the first red flag that the story being peddled by Ukraine, and echoed in the West, is not what it seems.

    "It is established fact that Russian troops evacuated Bucha on March 30.

    "Ukrainian National Police began entering Bucha on March 31, and that same day the mayor of Bucha announced that the town was fully under the control of Ukrainian officials.

    "At no time was there any suggestion by the mayor or any other Ukrainian official of mass killings undertaken by Russia.

    "The videotape in question was released by Ukrainian authorities on April 2; it is not certain if the video had been taken earlier, or on that day."

    Ukrainian Nazis murdered any resident of Bucha who accepted food from the Russians.
     
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    Provide evidence of "Nazis" murdering anyone accepting food from other "Nazis"?

    Totally irrelevant link....
     
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    Ukraine still has some bad times ahead. Ukraine needs to hurt Russia severely in order to survive. Russia needs to be hurt and hurt badly in Ukraine and it needs to become divided internally. Let’s be serious Ukraine cannot achieve and sustain real independence without help. Russia is just too big and has too large of a population for Ukraine to fight back just on its bravery alone.
    Throughout history Ukraine has been buried and and rose from the ashes many times.
     
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    Again and again I need to inform you of the truth. There was no coup in Ukraine. Yunkevich was sent packing to Russia to live in Putin’s dog kennel. Yunkevich is a traitor who attempted to gift Ukraine to Russia. If he was successful today Ukraine would like Belarus under Lukashenko that balless toad.
     
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    It sounds like the Russian gunship pilots are having a field day, rather like shooting fish in a barrel.
     
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    So, Russians are retreating advancing Ukrainians and trying to hide behind minefields to avoid the Bradley's?

    And you think that's indicative of success by the Russians?
     
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    Provide evidence Russians murdered anyone in Bucha.

    Totally inconvenient link for those with a slavish devotion to war pimps and their useful idiots everywhere:

    https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzan...ha-too-inconvenient-to-be-discovered--3773388

    "The truth about what happened in Bucha is out there, waiting to be discovered. Unfortunately, that truth appears to be inconvenient for those in a position to pursue it aggressively through a forensics-based, on-site investigation.

    If it so happens that it eventually emerges that the Ukrainian National Police murdered Ukrainian civilians for the crime of allegedly collaborating with the Russians during their brief occupation of Bucha, and the forces of international law are brought to bear against the true perpetrators of that crime, any true pursuit of justice would have to include both the US and UK governments as witting co-conspirators in any crime charged."
     
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    The Russians aren't retreating. Russian units have lost real estate in a few places, but that's a withdrawal, not a retreat.

    The Yooks aren't making the progress that the propagandists would like us to believe...

    DraftUkraineCOTJuly 22,2023.png Luhansk Battle Map Draft July 22,2023.png Donetsk Battle Map Draft July 22,2023.png Bakhmut Battle Map Draft July 22,2023.png
     
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    The fact that Russia is losing ANY ground speaks volumes of the failures of the Russian military.

    They have absolutley lost significant ground since the onset. There was originally worries they would make it to Kiev.

    They can barely hold the western Dunbas region.

    That's a failure for sure.
     
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    It's only a failure if the Yooks force the Russians to retreat back across the border.

    This reminds me of the Overland Campaign during the American Civil War. Grant had inferior troops, inferior leaders. The only advantage he had was an almost infinite supply of troops, ammunition and equipment. He lost most of the battles during the campaign. But, he knew that everytime Lee fought a battle, he expended combat power that he couldn't replace and at some point, there wasn't going to be any combat power left.
     
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    Neither.
     
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    Ah good, so the Ukrainian state will survive the death of all the Ukrainian soldiers and infrastructure ...somehow.

    Are you familiar with the term: Pyrrhic victory - Wikipedia ?

    Because that's what NATO has really been shipping to Ukraine.
     
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