Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up

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  1. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    :laughing:

    Alas, more projection. Even the western fake MIC bought-and-paid-for news ain't telling that lie anymore.

    The cluster munitions are being sent because there are no other 155MM munitions to send, conventional or not. That's called, "we're out of ammo"....just as Pedo Joe let slip.

    The Wall Street Journal reported the ukies lost 26,000 (dead) in the much-touted counter-offensive....that just turned out to be an offensive sausage-making fest.

    Russia is content letting the ukies commit suicide. Once they run out of munitions or bodies, then the Russians will move.
     
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    The Z fascists been moving backwards more than forwards since the first few months of this failed invasion. Lots of goodwill gestures.

    Sleepy Joe isn't doing enough to help Ukraine, but even so they will win.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Is that why Shoigu is in NK....begging for help?
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here's the Z army's secret to not running out of soldiers:

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    A Russian soldier said he was shot in the leg fighting in Ukraine then sent back out 10 days later, where he was shot again
    Sinéad Baker
    Tue, July 25, 2023 at 5:39 AM CDT

    A Russian soldier said he was shot in the leg while fighting in Ukraine and was sent back out to fight ten days later, where he was shot again.

    ...

    Sergei told CNN that he was shot in the leg over the winter but was sent back out after only 10 days of treatment. He was then shot in the shoulder, and had to get more treatment, he said.

    And when Russia had manpower shortages two months later, he was returned to the front lines, CNN reported.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/russian-soldier-said-shot-leg-103939516.html

    :laughing:
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not surprising that someone disgusting enough to push the "pedo joe" BigLie also loveslovesloves those RussoNazis. Garbage people don't restrict being garbage people to just one subject.

    Yes, there's a shortage of 155mm ammo. That's called "being honest". The Russians are in worse shape, ammo-wise.

    With the cluster munitions, the ammo shortage is largely fixed. Thus the Russian rage. They're in deep doodoo now, since Ukraine has artillery superiority, and better artillery. That accounts for the lopsided kill ratio.

    No, they reported that's what Moscow said.

    So you're parroting Russian propaganda, calling it facts, and then you expect to be taken seriously. Why?
     
  6. Bill Carson

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    I believe the germans said the same thing
     
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    It was true then as well. But the tech is tad different 80 years on, and now the superior artillery is on the defensive.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Speaking of the Germans:

    Momentum is with Ukraine, despite German criticism | General Rupert Jones
     
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    yeah that's the key...sustainability....was reading the US plant at Scranton is ramping up 155mm production from 15K per month to 70K per month as well as a new plant being built at Garland in Texas with 100K/month...anyway with the potentially mobilised economies of the west against the Russian economy, as you say it's not looking good for the bastards....
     
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    Germans did....lucky for Lend Lease saved the Mafiosi backside.
     
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    Read the OP and refresh your memory of the author. Grade school awaits you elsewhere.
     
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    When did you learn to finger Ukraine?
     
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    You're right about the Yuri Olefirenko being the "last of the Ukrainian warships:"

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-destruction-ukraine-last-warship-yuri-olefirenko-1803858

    "But it is not a large amphibious ship, according to Frederik Mertens of the Hague Center for Strategic Studies (HCSS).

    "The sinking of the Yuri Olefirenko would have 'almost no impact on the offensive potential of Ukraine's Navy and no impact at all on the defense of Ukraine's coast,' Mertens told Newsweek."

    However, whether or not Ukraine's navy has access to the Black Sea would affect its offensive potential against Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Navy

    "The Ukrainian flagship was scuttled in March 2022 during Russia's invasion to prevent its capture and Russia's navy blocked Ukraine's access to the Black Sea from that point onwards.[17]"
     
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    How many Ukrainian conscripts are defending Odessa?
    How many anti-ship missiles does Ukraine current possess?
    Provide credible sources.
    (If you can.)
     
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    Where's your evidence for Russia "holding elections at gunpoint?" Even if that claim is true, Ukraine had ended voting until its proxy war against Russia is over.

    Putin is responding to a US-supported coup in 2014 that installed a far-right government in Kiev. By February of 2022, the US and NATO had trained and armed a NATO-compatible force massed at the border with Donbass and threatening to retake control of Crimea. Putin's only option at that point was to destroy the hostile military alliance on his western border, and that is exactly what he's doing.

    Without that US-instigated/financed coup in 2014 and the civil war it caused, there would be no Russian forces in Ukraine today.
     
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    I said the EXACT opposite, as you well know. I don't parrot Russian propaganda, that is your job. Ukraine still has warships.

    SO now you quote an article that backs up what I have been saying - if the ship has been sunk it won't impact Ukraine's ability to defend itself and it has NO impact on defending Odesa. Do you accept that the article you linked to claiming Russia was going to invade Odesa is wrong & stupid?
     
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    I don't need to provide anything, especially to someone who just vomits up random claims and never accepts he is wrong, even when he clearly is. I'm not going to waste my time doing research for someone who isn't going to read it and will likley respond with more personal abuse.

    Here is the simple rule - extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You have linked to an article claiming Russia is going to take Odesa and you have repeatedly defended that article. It is up to the person making or supporting that claim to PROVE IT.

    You are supporting this claim, you prove it. You can't because the claim is ridiculous. If you weren't so desperate to defend a moronic source that just regurgitates Russian propaganda you could just admit that, but you won't.
     
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    ....funny isn't....when people know such information is going to be on a close hold basis and will not be publicly available that negates its validity...which is true I suppose on the basis that the Moskva was blown out of the water by a couple of cigarettes and nothing to do with Ukraine targetting the ship....:D....the thing to do then is post a link to the cigarette brand of choice for the Russian military....
     
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    I suppose when you have no argument and use moronic Indian websites as sources of information you can't be expected to engage in honest argument of any sort. Just lots of loud, declarative statements with links that are largely junk. Reminds me of how one of our resident holocaust deniers argues - literally no understanding of history, just repetition of lies ad nauseum.
     
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    Russia attempted "elections" last year on referendum to join Russia. These sham elections were administered by armed Ruskies going door to door and administering polling places.

    Russia is already claiming that some areas of Ukraine are "Russian Federation", essentially annexing these areas away from Ukraine pretending it's defensible due to voting.

    Now Russia plans additional elections in Ukraine.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/russia-plans-elections-occupied-ukraine/amp/

    Russia is NOT defending itself.

    It's taking parts of Ukraine through force.

    Anybody denying that is simply not being honest.
     
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    Such uniformed certitude Dayton .. Are you SuRE is not a big deal Teacher ? kind of depends on "TIME" does it not ..?! such that we can actually quantify that loss .. measure against something .. right Teach ?
     
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    stop calling me "teach".

    If you can't use a respectful term like "teacher" then don't address me at all.
     
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    Didn't think teach was disrespectfull .. seems another lame deflection but I will correct.

    Such uniformed certitude Dayton .. Are you SuRE is not a big deal Teacher ? kind of depends on "TIME" does it not ..?! such that we can actually quantify that loss .. measure against something .. right Teacher ?

    Teach us Teacher .. explain to us how 30% loss in a few weeks of equipment and men not a big deal. in modern War
     
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