US Postal Service Proves Afirmative Action isn't profitable

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  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Good points...

    Still, I think the USPS should be completely privatized. As it currently stands, it still receives some governmental help, and a bailout is looming.
     
  2. Radio Refugee

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    Not in the public sector, Baby!

    Look all the way to the top.
     
  3. Radio Refugee

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    The statistics are racist but....

    If you hire on merit you will be hiring partly on intellect. For ANYTHING. If you're hiring with intellect as one of the metrics then you will hire less than the population percentage of blacks (NBA excepted). Can't be helped.

    So...if you hire twice as many blacks as the population % then you are clearly hiring less fit employees. Can't be helped. You then pay them the same as fit employees and establish elaborate rituals needed to demote or fire them and....Voila! doomed organization mired in inefficiency where the worst employees will never leave, never get the ax.

    Most all of Big Fed works this way for the past 40 years.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    I knew blacks who were highly qualified and quite good at their jobs in the postal service who saw it and resented it.
     
  5. Radio Refugee

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    That is the pure misery of affirmative action. Every member of the aided class is suspect. Credentials and ability will temper it but it's insidious.

    Everyone's a loser. Really, everyone.
     
  6. Doug_yvr

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    Your premise above would be true only if there weren't enough excellent black candidates to meet the quota. Clearly with the population in the US and the fact that the USPS is attractive as an employer that's not the case.

    If the USPS runs an add and 5,000 blacks apply and 10,000 whites for 10 open positions then easily the 10 positions are filled with 10 excellent employees even if all have to be black.

    Since poor performers and excellent performers exist equally in all races you'd only have to take poor performers if the applicant pool from that race was very small.
     
  7. raytri

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    Revenue is part of it. But there's also the part where Congress mandates 6-days-a-week delivery to practically every address in the country, regardless of profitability.

    It's like Amtrak -- Congress orders Amtrak to be profitable, but oh, don't you even *think* about cutting service to that tiny little town in the Congresscritter's district.

    Either let Amtrak and the Post Office operate like a business, OR admit they're a service and fund them accordingly.
     
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  8. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I knew there had to be political pressure somewhere to keep costs high or limit revenue (do stamp price increases need political approval?).

    It's not rocket science to match revenue to costs.
     
  9. Radio Refugee

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    So far from true, I won't waste the time to debunk.
     
  10. raytri

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    But of course.
     
  11. Doug_yvr

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    It's simple math - if the post office hires intelligently they'll have a 98% success rate. So 2% of hires will be incompetent (easily fixed within the probationary period). That's 2% of blacks and whites btw - trust me whites don't have a monopoly on competence.

    So the Affirmative Action theory won't work unless as I said the USPS hires only the 2% of blacks that wouldn't be suitable employees, and keeps them past probation.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that would do it then. Politically influenced compression of revenue and cost inflation and there'd be no way to make it work.
     
  13. Radio Refugee

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    It's far from simple. You are unlikely to grok it.

    Pass.
     
  14. Doug_yvr

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    Simple math my boy - and it's got you stumped. If there's enough black applicants to exclude undesirables in the hiring process then the OPs premise doesn't work.

    If the problem is USPS's hiring practices that's different. But that would also mean they're hiring an equal proportion of incompetent whites.
     
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    Yet 80% of that revenue goes to wages showing they are over paid

    The post master general wants to lay off hundreds of thousands

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/09/06/tough-realities-for-us-postal-service/


    The USPS wants to cut 220,000 jobs -- 100,000 through attrition and 120,000 through cuts. No politician will want to sign off on this with job creation at zero last month.
     
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    It's the same problem with all of the right-wing "solutions".
    They don't want to pay taxes or fair prices for services, and then when the services fall apart, they trot out the blame blacks/immigrants/liberal policies card rather than face facts.
    You can't expect to have a country worth spit if you aren't willing to pay for it.
     
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    The USPS needs to cut jobs drastically because affirmative action and senseless policies have made them uncompetitive. Somehow they mucked up a monopoly and it didn't happen overnight. It took years of liberal policy and it wouldn't happen by accident.

    You can bet they will still use color of skin to decide who gets cut now.
    They always have.
     
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    Your ignorance is boundless.
     
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    pocket aces Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well since they want it abolished, broken up and sold, or some other dumb ass idea that they thought up in three seconds they shouldn't really care that postage increases by two cents because obviously they don't use it anyway. They stand by their principles and mail everything with UPS.
     
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  21. Bluesguy

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    I use the USPS flat rate boxes when my sons are stationed out of the country. It works great, we go to Wal-Mart and just pack it full of things we know the troops like, seal it up and ship it. They get there in about a week. I also get stuff I buy off Ebay and other online shipping using USPS parcel shipments, you can even track them now.

    This is where they are headed and where they can compete against the other parcel services. Is it enough to save them?
     
  22. BestViewedWithCable

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    The post office is losing money because of the union.

    You cant hold the government hostage.
     
  23. raytri

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    Um, no. They're losing money because of the recession, competition from UPS and e-mail, and the fact that Congress requires them to provide six days a week service to every address in America.
     
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    Nope, Its the union and the associated costs passed on to tax payers.

    They should privatize it, fire all the union workers and hire twice as many people for the same price.
     
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    Your liberalism is ignorance over fact...feelings over logic...calling someone else ignorant is the height of arrogance..
     

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