US Postal Service Proves Afirmative Action isn't profitable

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  1. Landru Guide Us

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    Somebody lacks the irony detection gene.

    Another typical racist thread from the Tea Party that has no facts, just hatred of nonwhites.

    I love it how the baggers constantly expose their odious ideology over and over again, and then project it on other.

    Conservatism isn't a political philosophy; it's a cognitive dysfunction.
     
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    [QUOTE=Scare Bear;4419208]Hiring people based on skin color is simply the right thing to do. I hope all the black hating racists who disagree burn in hell![/QUOTE]

    great.

    then only people with white skin should be hired.:-D
     
  3. sammy

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    In the real world, common sense dictates that the most qualified person should get the job. But the USPS doesn't operate fairly or sensibly.

    At the USPS common sense isn't used. Racial quotas, sexual preferences and liberal politics are used to determine who gets hired, fired or promoted.


    Of course this is the case in most federal agencies, but they don't try to make a profit either.
    If they did, they would all be bankrupt.
     
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    Lets see the USPS make up is 60% white and 20% black, everyone else in between. So I guess in your world the make up should 100% white.

    Have you ever worked at the USPS?

    Have you ever hired anyone to work at the USPS?
     
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    If quotas must be used, then the USPS shouldn't discriminate against any color. Why is it that blacks are getting 20% of the jobs there when they only make up about 11% of the US population?

    Those black jobs should go to Hispanics or some other races instead, based on the numbers.

    A better way would be to get rid of the quotas and hire people based on ability and competency. There would be less complaints and maybe employees would be more productive.
     
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    True, so why do we make up 42.5% of those incarcerated and whites only make up 34% of those incarcerated. Oh but you don't have a problem with that discrimination now do you.

    Really, which ones would you like to receive them.

    With that said how do you know which people were hired on quotas, how do you know which people were hired on ability. How do you know complaints would be less if the USPS workforce was 90% white and how do you know they would be more productive.
     
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    All the USPS proves is that you can't give out massive pensions without eventually having to deal with older employees who aren't worth the air they breathe.
     
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    If you want to use quotas go ahead, and change the ratios. Take out some of
    the blacks and whites and stick in some Asians or other groups in jail, to make it fair. Heck that's what the USPS effectively does.

    But we all know Asians don't commit as many crimes as blacks or whites, so it's gonna be hard to convict Asians based on their actions.
     
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    True, but who says the young ones are worth much at the USPS?

    They can't even keep a monopoly profitable at the USPS.
     
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    In my personal experience, the younger workers tend to get more done in a shorter period of time than the older workers.

    They also get shafted when it comes to pay and benefits compared to their older counterparts.

    This isn't limited to the USPS though. A lot of older companies have slowly cut back on benefits with each generation of workers because of the costs that older employees amass on them.

    Some of this is inevitable because of the natural process of aging, but in other cases, it's because of unrealistic revenue outlays.

    The Baby Boomer generation is basically the last one that gets to live high on the hog, while everyone younger will increasingly find it harder to retire due to reductions in both public and private benefits.

    Granted, it is true that technology improves with time, so with that, younger generations will at least have the possibility of receiving better medical care -- but a lot of that depends on just how expensive treatments and prescriptions become.
     
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    If this is true then whites are 60% of the problem and blacks are 20% of the problem. So therefore USPS doesn't make money because there are too many whites working there.
     
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    How many Asians apply for jobs at the USPS?

    That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, if Asians are not committing the crimes why would their need to be more of them incarcerated. Whites are the group whose % doesn't add up.
     
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    Now you're just making stuff up.
     
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    Sammy says they wouldn't have any problems if more whites were working there.
     
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    But Sammy hasn't for 12 pages now been able to provide one shred of information indicating blacks are less efficient than whites.

    I have posted a quote and link showing the USPS has increased efficiency over time, presumably while taking on more black employees as part of AA. So therefore (bear with me while I put on my racist hat) blacks make the USPS more efficient and if you get rid of the 60% of the remaining whites things would improve to the point where they could deliver a letter in 20 minutes for a cost of .002 cents.
     
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    Bingo! now you get my point. What goes on at the USPS when it comes to hiring quotas makes no sense.

    I learned ya!
     
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    is quite a stretch for the failure of the post office in the USA. The pay is excessive, there are too many employees (for the current amount of business) and the situation will only get worse as more people start paying bills online. The post office will be an interesting microcosm for the entire government in the future and it will be interesting to see how it is handled. I would like to see the continuity of the post office, however, I agree with those suggesting that massive cuts are necessary probably coupled with a postage rate increase. The post office needs to be flexible and cut jobs to avoid a "shootout at the OK Corral" where there will be either the status quo or dissolution.
     
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    Maybe Sammy has no interest in your racist bait.

    We are talking about affirmative action and how it hasn't proved profitable at the USPS.

    Now the taxpayers must help bailout this pitiful mess.
     
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    I don't know if it even proves that. I think all the current problems with the USPS services merely show that an entity that was established mostly to deliver letters and which is very efficient at delivering letters (much more efficient than UPS or FEDEX, who are good at packages, not letters), can't stay in the black in light of cultural and technological changes where letter writing has substantilly given way to email and cell phone texting.

    Things change. The USPS has to change to accomodate much lower receipts for a business infrastructure set up to deliver many more letters than are now sent.

    I wouldn't close the USPS; but I'd limit its mission and budget to the niche of the market that it now holds.

    Needless to say, the OP is just more racist Tea Party knownothingism. I don't know why the mods allow outright vicious racists OPs like this.
     
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    Wrong reply.

    Criminal justice is a meritocracy unlike the USPS.
     
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    I sell to a very wide variety of manufacturing and service companies and up to just a couple of years ago that included the USPS.

    While there are many very good managers and employees, especially those from the military who get top priority for jobs. There were LOTS of totally unqualified people in positions they attained through very active affirmative action programs. And it brewed resentment in the workplace. I knew lots of managers who would retire at first chance they got so sick of all the AA rules and provisions. It was the Peter Principle on steroids.

    It is not THE cause of the postal service problems, it was certainly a contributor to the inefficiencies it could never overcome.

    Quite frankly I don't see how a postal service as it has existed can ever exist again. To much mail is done electronically to be able to cover all those routes without raising rates as to make it unfeasible for people to use it. Either it is going to be highly subsidized by taxpayers just to keep it operating or it will go the wayside.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think people appreciate what they do. If you have ever been involved in the collection/sortation/delivery of mail or packages you would appreciate what they and UPS and FedX really do in a 24 hour period.
     
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    Peter Principle was long ago discredited.

    Easy solution as I posted earlier - based on the USPS deficit and mail volume they would only have to charge 1.7 cents more per mailing to break even. Problem solved.
     
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    You've failed to show (for 13 pages now) anything whatsoever to indicate black employees are less efficient at the USPS.
     
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    is that they owe the money NOW (i.e. the end of September 2011 or so). The USPS can't possibly raise that much revenue even if the postage rate was increased tomorrow. Rates will need to increase, however, structural changes will be required to obtain the "float loan" in order to have a discussion about continuity.
     
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    It was the Peter Principle on steriods.


    Then you prove my point, all those high paid accountants and financial managers and they can't figure that out I guess.
     

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